Response to the attacks on the US?

Matrix Agent

Masochist Mascot
I for one think that we must attack the specific people who organized this operation. We must be sure of who has organized this, but after that, anything is fair game with the people who organized this.

The resons for an attack are not for simple retaliation, but to show these terrorists that by commiting this acts, they put their familes, friends. neighbors and nations at risk.We should not attack an entire nation based on a few citizen's actions. The only way i can see justifing attacking a nation is if Bin Laden can be proven guilty, but is still protected by the taliban.

Anyone ever read Tom Clancy's
Exectutive Decision? I finished it last week. Scary. Is this just the beginning?
 

Soapvox

Want some of my Kool-aid?
I know I am a oddity in America, but as much as I am disgusted by the abhorent action thats has rocked us today, I am a pacifist and revenge is never healthy. We need to find the terrorist who partoke of this unimaginable mass murder and put them in a hard labor camp forever. Murder even in response to a crime such as this is still murder. We need to infiltrate and disband this group whether foreign or domestic, but Murder is Murder
 

AdmiralAK

Simply Daemonic
so how does the death penalty factor into this as a "punishment".
 

Matrix Agent

Masochist Mascot
Being a pacifist is cool, i have no problem with that. But its application to this problem is too idealistic. How could we possibly take a terrorist alive? We'd lose many more lifes trying to do this.

While a hard labor camp would be much more fitting than to be killed in an explosion, the chances of achiveing this are low.

What kind of message do we send if we do nothing? Should we just invest all of our money and energy in defensive apparatus and intelligence which may not even work, and may alienate the US from the global community?

There is a time for offense and a time for defense. I'm afraid this situation wont be helped much by becoming defensive right now.

P.S. Is hard-labor unconstituional?
 

Soapvox

Want some of my Kool-aid?
we preach that we are a civilized and democratic society, yet we murder people instead of punishment. It looks like we already be jumping the gun anyways, while I write this I see on the news bombings taking place in Kabul. If we stoop to thier level of murder then what makes democracy and freedom better than thier form of barbarry? This is an idealistics way of looking I understand, but without idealism we never become a better society, but again at the same time I must admit there is a part of me that would love to go bomb the SH** out of these people, but we must think with our heads and heal with our hearts. I understand everyones opinion and ccelebrate it this is merely mine.
 

Matrix Agent

Masochist Mascot
Soapvox, do you think that it would be reasonable to say that we need to make some kind of invasive manuver to capture/kill the people responsible? Or do you feel that we should make no foreign military actions whatsoever?

I think we are a lot closer in opinion than you think.
 

kilowatt

mach-o mach-o man
I think its fair to say that the only thing these terrorists understand is terror. Acts of Violence. Aggression. They are not going to go to jail. They don't even deserve to live.

You kill +10,000 people, well, anything to prevent you from doing it agian is well worth it. I'd kill him(s) myself without hesitation (and I'm not a violent person, either). Its the only message they will understand.

Being passive is like trying to be neutral. Thats what it looks like. This isn't a time for neutrality. We need to be firm in what is wrong and what is right, in a language that these people can understand. *Their language.*
 

Matrix Agent

Masochist Mascot
I'm trying to look past my inner rage and all the feelings inside me, I try and be realsonable, but these are the images that circulate in my head:

1. People jumping from the top floors of the WTC. Imagine seeing that. :confused:

2. People in wheelchairs waiting for someone to help them down the stairs because the elevators don't function. They really did attack the helpless. They put the workers of that building in a horrible position. Who wants to make a decision like that?

3. The emergency workers being crushed trying to help others escape.

4. The people on board the plane who watched their death coming. One lady called her husband twice from the lavatory. Imagine how he feels now.

5. The people who are right now frantically calling everyone they know to find out if a loved one is ok.

This is the worst act of terrorism ever. I can't sit back and watch people get away with this.:(
 

Soapvox

Want some of my Kool-aid?
But murder is not, I am not saying let this just go, I was crying as I saw the first tower collapse thinking of all the people that were MURDERED. I saw the footage of the people jumping out of the building and threw up, I just saw a clip where they saw the second plane hit from the bottom and wretched. I can honestly say I wont get a good night sleep for quite a while and as I stated before my rage say kill the bastards but my head say we need to show that we are above that, bring these people in front of either American courts or the courts in The Hauge because I would definitely consider these war crimes. But we need to be the country we claim to be. I understand everyones anger, and deeply regret all the lives lost. I am not religious but my thoughts are with you.
 

iPenguin

Hey, Look!
I don't know, but I think you guys are jumping the gun. We don't even know who is responsible for these acts, and you're already thinking about how to deal with them. More things may happen... the guy (girl... group... we don't know yet...) is still on the loose, and as long as they're loose they can cause more damage. Once we find out who has perpetrated these horrible things, then we can decide what we think should be done to them. Who knows, there might be a police stand-off with them, and the perpetrator(s) might get shot on accident... I think that's happened before. Or all the people responsible might have alreay died in the plane crashes...
Anyway I've heard this act is being compared to Pearl Harbor, and people blaming other countries and people (namely Sadam Hussen and Pakistan, along with others) and saying that it may lead to World War 3... I think all that stuff is quite harsh but it might be possible...

All in all, I think the people that did this were heartless bastards with no regard for human life. I mean, how could someone do that?? It's sick... And then some normal civilians saying that they would go kill those people back... To me that's just as sick, and without regard for human life...
God, let this be a dream, let me wake up now... :(
 

kilowatt

mach-o mach-o man
Originally posted by iPenguin
And then some normal civilians saying that they would go kill those people back... To me that's just as sick, and without regard for human life...
God, let this be a dream, let me wake up now... :(
Sick? Justice? I think we all can agree that when we find out who did this, something needs to be done to prevent it. I understand that there are many terrorists, and that we will never get to them all. But if we can get to these guys, who knows how many lives we could save. Imagine if the plane that hit the pentagon had been downed before it hit? True, the terrorist would have died in the plane, but those 32 people in the pentagon would still be alive.

"The good of the many outweigh the bad for the few.... ....or the one."

If a few people have to die to prevent something like this from happening again, so be it.

These terrorists didn't attack stratgic targets. They attacked to kill. They killed people who didn't have a chance. Its not like when the US bombs a missile factory at night. This was at 8:56am in a building housing +25,000 people.

I can't be passive with people like this. If diplomacy would put these people down, they might have used it agianst us. They used blood. They killed. And that is how we must communicate our message.

People die in war. In the name of peace. It sounds backwards, but sometimes peace comes at a coast. No doubt, more will die to bring these criminals to justice.

(excuse my volgar raw thoughts..... I haven't used my brain lately, so its a bit rusty...)
 

AdmiralAK

Simply Daemonic
The weold is gonna be blown to pieces....
society has been degraded...its just sickening....


on the lighter side ...who believes in profecies ??? I saw somewhere something by Nostradamus descibing something remarkably similar to what happened today.


Admiral
 

AdmiralAK

Simply Daemonic
The weird thing about this whole situation is this crazy sense of deha vu that I just had. I am listening to the radio (while surfing the net...which is quite unusual for me) listening to coverage about this matter and I have this sense of having lived through something like this...but I was young for the oklahoma bombing so that cant be it... am I trapped in a time warp or something ?? It was an instantaneous sense of deja vu that gave me goosebumps :confused:
 

iPenguin

Hey, Look!
This is just plain horrible... people are still stuck in the debris... I can't imagine what people are going through... this is horrible...
 

kilowatt

mach-o mach-o man
I must agree, there can be no real justice. How much are 10,000 lives worth? How much is the entire NY bomb squad worth?

How much is a single innocent person worth?

We have to do something to show the world that we will not sit and wait for the next attack.


I am certain that 'blood will follow blood'. Although it in no way 'makes up' for what has happened, the US will no doubt retalliate. And I support that.

Lets pray this doesn't get out of hand, though.

It would appear that every nation is on our side, so I doubt that we will be looking at a war. These crimes are not agianst the United States, but agianst Humanity, Justice, and Freedom. Any nation foolish enough to stand agianst the United States on this has basically asked for it.
 

Soapvox

Want some of my Kool-aid?
And my life is changed............



I picked up the paper and was crying on the bus ride into work this morning. These acts were not only attacks against Americans there were people from all over the world in those towers. My roomate had friends from Germany in that tower yesterday on business and she has not heard from them. This is a global act of terror.

I am pained
 

scott

softer than ever!
Terrible. I was out in the boonies and didn't hear until last night. My heart goes out to all.

This is a wake up call for the Americas and the world. Evil does not always hide behind a flag.
 

Mindy

Registered
My heart and prayers go out to all those who have suffered loss yesterday.

I think our first course of action is, of course, to search for and rescue any survivors of yesterday's terrorist attack. We should vigorously search for those who are responsible for this horrendous act and should respond in a manner that will communicate clearly to others our resolve.

After watching C-SPAN this morning and CNN almost constantly, it appears that both houses of Congress are in full support of the President as he responds to this issue. I know that President Bush will do whatever it takes to take decisive action against those who commited this crime and those who harbor them.

His speech this morning was significant, calling the acts yesterday not acts of terror but acts of war. The wording of his short speech was strong, using words like "acts of war", "win" and others.

To not respond in a decisive and strong way to the tragedy would be unthinkable. In my opinion, we've sat by too often as people have attacked our nation and our nation's interests. I think it is time to send a CLEAR message, by whatever means are necessary, to those who would oppose the United States.

It is a time of mourning but also a time to respond with wisdom. We should all pray for our leaders, especially President Bush, as they decide what it best to do.
 

scott

softer than ever!
:(
I think it is time to send a CLEAR message, by whatever means are necessary, to those who would oppose the United States.
The interests of the U.S.A. are not always agreed upon throughout the world, and that is innevitable. I am not going to comment on that, it is not the time, but there MUST be a realization that this was (more than likely) done by INDIVIDUALS acting on their own, not under the ospices of a nation. Therefore, as hurt as it is, the U.S.A. and its friends cannot retaliate upon the innocent citizens of the attackers homeland as the attackers have done to the innocent citizens of the U.S.

I really feel for the decision makers in Washington right now, as they have to retaliate, but to what? I think this is an attack of merciless proportions and I hope the planners behind the attacks are found - but how does a group of, say, 50 planners get punished for the lives of thousands?
 
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