Streaming Video and Caches

AdmiralAK

AdmiralAK

Simply Daemonic
Well last night I was on this French Singer's web site (very nice looking girl ;) ) I spent about 4 hours total "streaming" the high quality videos on her site. The nice thing about Quicktime (she has smart people working for her!) is that even if you dont have the "pro" version you can save the video by going to the Cache folder of your browser and taking the video out and renaming it. This way I saved her videos.

now, I went to other artists (whose webmasters are LESS enlightened) -- they use real video and MicroShaft Media Player.

Do these players have some sort of hiden cache folder (OS X and OS 9 question) where I can salvage the saved cache before it's dumped ? I tried to download the music videos by fiding where they are but since they dont use HTTP protocol (they use mms an rthp) I can't --- cache is where it stands.

Any ideas ?
(back to work on wednesday..aaahh broadband an IRC for music videos lol)


Admiral
 
when i look at the IE cache, it seems to be .waf files. how do i root through them?
 
you can also view the web page source, copy the .mov part, and press apple-l, then paste it in there. Omniweb will either present you with a download screen, or load it right into there, where you can just press apple-s to save it.

BTW, AAK, where is this sweet web page!?!
 
Kilowatt you haven't heard of Alizee ??? :eek:


in any case, mov's and MPEGs are absolutelly no problem because I can use the caches, BUT real and M$ files are different --

any clues anyone ?
 
snapz pro is a terrific product.. pending a few thing...

1. You have a speaker cable to compromise to hook from you output to the input... so you can actually get sound.

2. If you plan on not being there, that you know the location and the size of the movie you will be recording.

3. You have a lot of time to wait for the movie to be saved...

otherwise I reaaaally like the program, kudos to ambrosia... I've always liked them!

graham
 
Are you using the most up to date version of Snapz Pro? In the last classic version, you could record the sound without any cable needed...I don't know about the OS X version though...
 
it captures the contents of your screen, a given part of the screen or a certain window or a certain app to a quicktime movie (until you stop the capture process) together with the sound...at least that's what I thought, but if it is true that it no longer easily captures the sound, you can forget the idea...
 
no no, you don't have to be sorry! We are talking about OS X after all ;)
Actually, I was and am a bit confused myself because I haven't used SnapzPro for a long time and I just couldn't 100% say that it would work...I will check it soon though ;)
 
nice -- but it costs $$$ :p
I was wondering if these media players store some cache somewhere ;-) -- the free alternative :p
 
Are you with me,

and need to record the keynote becuase you won't be home... yah, if anyone finds out please tell me!

graham
 
about 15 mins after the keynote, they usually replay the entire thing all day

ps: where's that web site?!? heh
 
What time is the keynote ?
I will be at work tomorrow, I have T1 and aint afraid to use it :p

I use will just copy netscape's cache's before they get flushed he he :-)


Admiral
 
You are all misusing terminology. I don't mean to be condescending, but here's the skinny and you will all leave smarter. AK, the QT movies you watched were NOT streaming. They may have been formatted to allow you to view them as they downloaded, but they were not streaming. In this regard, your French chick is not only cute, but incredibly smart, as she has actually used the best format for distributing videos rather than jumping onto the streaming ship because it's a cool buzzword.

Had those files been streaming, you wouldn't have the cache file at all, ever. the other players also have this option, but are more typically used in streaming mode, making the plug-in do the fetching rather than the web browser, and not storing on the HD. Why do they do this? No fscking reason at all. Perhaps they took it on the advice of a guy who owns the local network provider and gets a cut of their obnoxious bandwidth bill each month. Who knows.

Cache is cache, and it should be handled per browser. If it's not in the cache, then it wasn't downloaded by the browser, and is likely never there.

As for saving movies, I find that having a monitor echoed to a VCR is supa-sweet. Nobody thinks to put in that VCR-suck-signal in realPlayer movies or whatnot. You won't be able to store the broadcast for the keynote. It just won't happen. It's an actual live streaming video feed. The only thing that can display it (QT) won't store it. That's not what streaming is. A VCR will store it just fine though. :-)

... Aaaaaarrrgh. Apple was right. I'm not actually sleeping tonight.
 
lol thanks theed :D

I had a fleeting suspicion that quicktime wasnt streaming due to caches. (no point for speculation though -- dang)


Anyway -- VCR isnt an option (need to buy cables for it :P)


Now, is there a way to induce caching using real's free player ? (or M$'s free player) ? If so how ?


Second of all, I am using a "beta" (which expired a while ago lol) of real producer. Is there a way to make my content cached (instead of streamed) since it would help my bandwidth situation (yahoo is on my case for using too much -- my site is too popular lol)


Help an up and coming video person pleaseee :D
 
You can't decide on the client, the decision is made per stream on the server.

Real would be linked in differently in a web page, so would quicktime. WiMP uses a different file extension.

So if you're serving stored content, there should be a way to make it downloadable ... don't use the REAL server. Just link in the file from the web page. I haven't done much REAL stuff lately, so I forget details.

If you're doing a live feed, that's streaming. There's not a good way to allow people to save those.
 
actually my content is on an http server. not on a real server.

The problem I will run into are copyrights.
The music mix I provide isnt for download per se. Having a direct link to it would bring me in a hot spot, but if the contents were cached, I wouldnt have a problem with corporate lawyers :p


I use an .rm file that just tells the real player where the contets are.

DO you think that it would be wiser to use another technology for "streaming" (used in the lightests of senses here)



Admiral
 
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