Switcher Switched Back - Too Slow They Say
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sheepguy42
AFOL
That's because IE is integrated into the user interface of Windows. Maybe if someone made a Mac browser that was more like an invisible but always running utility, like the menu add-ons or FruitMenu or something, then the browser would load fast like on a PC (because it would really already be loaded, just needs to open a new window). Isn't that supposed to be one of the benefits of OS X over XP: XP can only have great (and required) integration w/ M$ products, while OS X apps (through things like Services and Menu Add-Ons) can have great integration with the OS no matter who makes 'em, and all are optional? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, or crazy, but I think some Browser programmers should take advantage of this and make an optionally integrated browser or OS X, and then more can show up so that Mac has competition in another area where Windows will probably always have Monopoly.
What do you call the Windows Bootup Screen? It should cover everything built into Windows!
Do any of Apple's iApps have a splash screen? Oh now this wouldn't be fair to PCs and Microsoft because they can't even run any of them!
My April 2001 G4/533 (dual) is doing just spiffy!
My AMD 1Ghz built around early 2001 with WinXP on the other hand... Needs major help!
And the help it will be getting will be in the form of Linux!
Oh! A flamewar thread! Yay! Let's get right into it!!!
To shutdown my computer on Mac OS, I hit the power key, which is on the screen (the main interface) or the keyboard (on PowerBooks, the other main interface). On Windows, I hit the START button. Hmm... Strange, isn't it? Okay, now on to that speed debate:
I get more work done better in less time on a Mac than on a PC. My Mac is faster than your PC. End of discussion.
Why do you start your Internet Explorer so often? I have enough RAM to keep OmniWeb open all the time... And I only reboot once a month or so. Of course, if IE crashes your Windows system, that's a different story. It's important for Windows apps to start fast, I can see that. In eight hours of work, I only start applications once: At the beginning. I then work for eight hours straight (okay, lunchtime, but my computer's ASLEEP for that hour) without quitting and relaunching anything. So, what does it matter?
I beg you: Use a browser that DOESN'T crash half of the time. Internet browsing is entertainment, too, so don't consider it an important thing, really.
And I have no time for this, so, laters.
To shutdown my computer on Mac OS, I hit the power key, which is on the screen (the main interface) or the keyboard (on PowerBooks, the other main interface). On Windows, I hit the START button. Hmm... Strange, isn't it? Okay, now on to that speed debate:
I get more work done better in less time on a Mac than on a PC. My Mac is faster than your PC. End of discussion.
Why do you start your Internet Explorer so often? I have enough RAM to keep OmniWeb open all the time... And I only reboot once a month or so. Of course, if IE crashes your Windows system, that's a different story. It's important for Windows apps to start fast, I can see that. In eight hours of work, I only start applications once: At the beginning. I then work for eight hours straight (okay, lunchtime, but my computer's ASLEEP for that hour) without quitting and relaunching anything. So, what does it matter?
I beg you: Use a browser that DOESN'T crash half of the time. Internet browsing is entertainment, too, so don't consider it an important thing, really.
And I have no time for this, so, laters.
toast
Gone !
My point was just: Windows machines I find much more faster. That's my general user opinion.
As a designer, I prefer Mac, of course: I get more job done in less time. I agree with fryke on this point: my Mac is "faster" in this way
But to the general user, PCs are faster than Macs. My example wasn't very good, maybe. Compare startup speed, then.
As a designer, I prefer Mac, of course: I get more job done in less time. I agree with fryke on this point: my Mac is "faster" in this way
But to the general user, PCs are faster than Macs. My example wasn't very good, maybe. Compare startup speed, then.
edX
mac shaman
like fryke, my first thought is we already have that. we open the browser and leave it open all the time. I keep a window open just for this site all the time. another window for another forum, another window for surfing. i don't even have to open new windows. i just reload them. sometimes i have 2-3 different browsers launched with multiple windows open.
i often have 6-7 apps open as well. i use whichever one i need and then switch to another while leaving them all up. sometimes i even remember to close them when i'm done.
Starup speed for ? Apps launching or OS Bootup?
Both are pretty quick to me (OSX and WXP)... I just hate watching the PC's BIOS think about stuff for a while not knowing if it locked up at BIOS or not (it happens)
App launching does not seem faster or slower on either system either, except for Internet Explorer on th PC wich might be a fraction of a second faster, but like sheepguy said, it's integrated into the OS itself so that's not a fair comparision.
I honestly belive that once you are at or break 1Ghz there is no real speed difference on anything on any OS except whatever might use up a lot of Frame Rate.
RAM is also a major issue, none of my systems are to be cought dead with anything under 512MBs of RAM.
But maybe I feel this way and I do not feel your and a few other's pain because I feel I really chose wisely when I bought my computer. It took me about 2 weeks of research before I decided on my Dual 533. And I really felt I made the BEST choice when I bought it and only until now that the Dual 1Ghz/DualOptical DDR systems came out (and using one as a Server at the office) do I feel that it's now finally starting to feel slower.
G3s where 100% out of the question in my research (altho I didn't know if or what the real difference was vs a similar G4), and I felt that both the lower priced AND the higher-priced G4 towers at the time where going to quickly feel outdated (altho now I don't recall what they where, I belive both where single G4s).
And even though I'm still paying for my Dual 533 (I was supposed to be done paying ages ago but I lost my job in September '01) I don't regret buying it at all!
Yeah the new Duals are making me VERY jealouse - but I would not have been able to wait THAT long to get a Mac!
Originally posted by Ed Spruiell
i often have 6-7 apps open as well. i use whichever one i need and then switch to another while leaving them all up. sometimes i even remember to close them when i'm done.
LOL!
Ed! I wish I would get out of the habit of always CLOSING apps!
On the PC (XP 1Ghz) I always have to remember to close apps or else It'll become too unstable and have to reboot... and I forget I don't have to do that when I get home to my Mac!
Javintosh
Meember
When installing Mozilla on Win2K, I was asked if I wanted to enable FastStart (I think that's what it was called). Basically, this would make mozilla load faster by always keeping it in memory.
Of course, the word "load" should have been in quotes since an app that's in memory is already loaded.
I think that MS seems faster because IE and Office are implemented using the fast start feature.
By that standard, Chimera loads incredible fast... You can try this to. open chimera (put it in your startup items) and then close all of chimera's windows. then click on the chimera icon and tiem how long it takes for chimera to load....
Of course, the word "load" should have been in quotes since an app that's in memory is already loaded.
I think that MS seems faster because IE and Office are implemented using the fast start feature.
By that standard, Chimera loads incredible fast... You can try this to. open chimera (put it in your startup items) and then close all of chimera's windows. then click on the chimera icon and tiem how long it takes for chimera to load....
hazmat
Rusher of Din
Originally posted by Tormente
Um... there is no splash screen on XP's Internet Exploder...
I don't think there's ever been a splash screen for Internet Explorer on any Windws version.
Yes there has been. IE has a splash screen under NT4.
At least up to 5.5. I wouldn't upgrade to 6. Still haven't under Win2k.
hazmat
Rusher of Din
Originally posted by Tormente
Really? My bad... Goes to show how often I use Internet Exploder!
There isn't one in XP.
Nor in 2k.
Windows Update and Site Testing is ALL I use Explorer for... pisses my coworker off that I use Mozilla (she hates Netscape)! hehe
In Windows, I happily use IE. I think it's the best browser for it. In OS X, I never use it.
I have to say that the main thing that I have found slow on my iMac is web page rendering. But now with the new chimera everything is quite fast. It seems like if someone were to buy a computer just the surf the web, which many people do now adays, because they hear how great the internet is, you can do more with a computer!!! Your family members must not have realized how easy everything is to do on a Mac. How easy is it to download music, copy it to iTunes and burn a CD? Or how easy is it to check your email with OS X's mail client? How easy is it to connect a camera via USB and launch iPhoto, make a web page in seconds and post it on .Mac if ya got it? How easy is it to connect a Dig. Video Camera via speedy firewire and take complete control of the camera with iMovie? Or how easy is it to organize your life with iCal now? Look at what software Apple has to offer against the software Microsoft has.
OS X may not be the speediest OS but on a G4 processor I know just about anyone can attest can move pretty quick.
I'd rather have an EASY OS install without a call to Microsoft for an activation key.
People have to get over the slight speed difference, give the OS time to grow. And if you're still in 10.1 do yourself a favor and upgrade, it's sure worth it.
Oh one more thing....
There's no Gator for OS X
OS X may not be the speediest OS but on a G4 processor I know just about anyone can attest can move pretty quick.
I'd rather have an EASY OS install without a call to Microsoft for an activation key.
People have to get over the slight speed difference, give the OS time to grow. And if you're still in 10.1 do yourself a favor and upgrade, it's sure worth it.
Oh one more thing....
There's no Gator for OS X
Total Konfuzion
Registered
And if there was a Gator of Osx.....i'd umm...use BeOS? heh
swizcore
Help Guide Coordinator
Well, its a hands-down win for the Mac then in this case. It IS much easier to work with digital images on a Mac than PC, especially getting them in the computer. And with a Cube and OSX there shouldn't be any speed complaints.
If your talking OS9 then I have no arguement, I hate OS9.
dave17lax
Inventor of the Egg Wave
Should've told em that Macs are for designing, creative, etc
The question is WHY can't they be both? There is no reason that we should not be able to open a window in the finder and not expect it to open right then. RIGHt?
Or go to a webpage and see it almost IMMEDIAtely!
my own stresses added to the words there.
The question is WHY can't they be both? There is no reason that we should not be able to open a window in the finder and not expect it to open right then. RIGHt?
Or go to a webpage and see it almost IMMEDIAtely!
my own stresses added to the words there.
dave17lax
Inventor of the Egg Wave
I have a dual g4 500, and I'm not complaining, except that 3-5 year old PC's do outpace 3-5 year old macs when it comes to certain "simple tasks".
I've said other stuff in this thread that relates..unfortunately I am too lazy right now to quote from it.
Of course my final vote comes down to mac for everything, no matter what happens. What a pawn I am !