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Soapvox

Want some of my Kool-aid?
Get off your high horse and be real, this is a forum to help people, and with a new os you have to use beta software and so we need to lend a hand when we can, so step off your throne and if you can help do so or just keep your comments to yourself. We are on the verge of the next level of operating system and we need to test new beta software so we can shape the way our OS is going, and yes that does lend itself to newbies having problems but that is where we step in. I do develop software and people do do crazy things, but it is our job to help them, and maybe find ways to make our software better, inspite of the betas and such. Sorry if this sounds like a flame, I just don't want people to be discouraged from being beta testers just because they are newbies ( I personally think we need more newbie beta testers, they give us quite a bit of insight about UI)
 

SCrossman

MacTech
Soapvox, I concur with what you had said about ezra. He is however, trying to protect his turf, since he said he worked for one of the companies listed with a troublesome application. As I stated in my earlier post, as you, let's help those that we can. Just because something works on our 'puters doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. He should know that since he is/was a support specialist. And all software can be called beta, in one fashion or another.
 

Leonis

Registered
I got to make it clear that....I do know couple of resellers and we have very good relationships. They allow me to use their "Not for Resale" version of the apps to evaluate. And that include ALL the apps I mentioned.

"Try it before you buy" is my principle...especially you are paying thousands of dollar to something that will help you to do works....

In the past my purchasing decision was based on the results I got in beta testings....I don't bother using the save disabled demo like those from Adobe. it's very hard to judge if I can't saving anything. I need at least a month to decide whether I will stick with the software or not.

A year ago....I decided to ditch my old, extremely buggy 3D app Raydream Studio.....but I didnt' know which one should fit me the best. I tried Lightwave , 3D Max, Cinema and even EIAS.....After six months....I finally decided to go for Cinema because of the reasonable price and superior stability....and made a purchase....bought 6.3....and 7.2 should be coming to my mail box pretty soon.

Painter, Photoshop, Illustrator....same....I usually test drive them for a while to decide if they deserve my hard earn dollar.....unfortunately....the answer is no......I sticked with Painter 5, Photoshop 5.5 and Illustrator 8......

However....now because of OSX....I have to upgrade whether they are bloat or not.....I even upgraded to Painter 7 without testing it....I guess the same will happen with Photoshop 6.5 (or 7 or whatever) and Illustrator 10..... AfterEffects...I still am thinking should I just upgrade to the "regular" 6 or the production bundle one.....man...that's gonna hurt (my wallet) :(

...I still havent' decide to go for Office X or not.......or just stick with AppleWorks.....

BTW... I agree... all apps under X are betas anyway...even they wear the "final" mark :D
 

ezra

Super Organism
Originally posted by Soapvox
Get off your high horse and be real, this is a forum to help people, and with a new os you have to use beta software and so we need to lend a hand when we can, so step off your throne and if you can help do so or just keep your comments to yourself. We are on the verge of the next level of operating system and we need to test new beta software so we can shape the way our OS is going, and yes that does lend itself to newbies having problems but that is where we step in. I do develop software and people do do crazy things, but it is our job to help them, and maybe find ways to make our software better, inspite of the betas and such. Sorry if this sounds like a flame, I just don't want people to be discouraged from being beta testers just because they are newbies ( I personally think we need more newbie beta testers, they give us quite a bit of insight about UI)
First off, don't you dare try to tell me how to do my job. I have a boss for that, which is obviously much more qualified to do that. You should also pay attention to what the thread is about before you chime in. He's using private, and illegal beta's not public beta's. If they were public then they would be much safer and have warnings and documentation. Private beta's don't have the oppertunity to warn the public of the dangers in the specific rev's, because they were never designed to be made public. Out private beta's can be very hazardous to a system during development, and generally that can be said for most private beta's, especially if the rev is designed with a defferent rev of the OS.

It's at my discretion to help customers in public forums, and I asked if he was a customer, and he's obviously not. I even overlooked that, which I don't have to, so he should feel lucky that I don't enforce any sort of software security here. If I did, I would be busy all day and this place would not be around for long, and I like this place. I also don't think it's wise to tell a software developer how to deligate his business. We are a very large company, and we have a staff of over 100 professional testers that are subjected to very strick NDA's, for good reasons. We don't need Joe Public stealing, and messing with something that not going be stable, and asking the public why. We do encourage beta testing, but only when it's done through the right channels, or offered to the public. It doesn't benefit anyone to have someone using it who is not going to give US feedback, especially when the average user is not qualified to beta test our software, let alone a newby. They will just end up screwing up their machines, and we don't need to be the caus of such things. That's why we don't offer it to the public. If someone want's to be a beta tester, and has the skills to do it well, then they can apply to be one through the right channels of the company, but don't for a second expect me to be curtious, or support someone that steals our, and many others developers software, and is now complaining that they're having problems. You might not see it as helping, but I believe I helped this guy in the only logical way someone could help him, and that was to advise him to stop using illegal, private beta, and hacked apps, which WILL solve his problem in the future. For those of you that continue to do so , just remember, when you don't have the documentation that comes with the specific private beta's to warn you of specific danger areas, which there always is, you are putting your system at serious risk of complete or partial data loss, not to mention the small bug's. It hapens all the time, especiall when the OS is not matured enough to protect against these things, and we havn't had enough time to keep up with the OS because it's still developing. You can't, in your right mind expect to not have problems under these conditions.
 

SCrossman

MacTech
ezra, I didn't know you worked here in these forums. How did Soapvox tell you how to do your job? What application does the original poster have that is a private beta made by the company you work for? BTW, using this non-public beta, he is giving you feedback, if it is indeed your company's app that is causing problems. I think you are over reacting, but I will digress.
 

ezra

Super Organism
Originally posted by Leonis
I got to make it clear that....I do know couple of resellers and we have very good relationships. They allow me to use their "Not for Resale" version of the apps to evaluate. And that include ALL the apps I mentioned.

"Try it before you buy" is my principle...especially you are paying thousands of dollar to something that will help you to do works....
You don't need to explain yourself, we know not everyone can afford the packages We're more concerned that the private beta's we release are also relesed with documentation warning of areas to be carefull, and these never make it to the public with these illegal copies. Just keep in mind that your data is not safe with this software, or beta's, and that you can expect problem most surely. I also gsubjected to this all the time, so I get annoyed with it.
 

ezra

Super Organism
Originally posted by SCrossman
ezra, I didn't know you worked here in these forums. How did Soapvox tell you how to do your job? What application does the original poster have that is a private beta made by the company you work for? BTW, using this non-public beta, he is giving you feedback, if it is indeed your company's app that is causing problems. I think you are over reacting, but I will digress.
I do not work here, I work with Maxon, and the serial number that is circulating around is a beta serial number, meaning it is a beta that is being passed around. He's not giving me any usefull information, our current beta's are far beyond what is circulating around illegaly. We also have over 100 professional beta testers from studios such as Pixar, PDI, ILM, and Digital Domain to give us feedback, so we need not rely on people who don't even own or support the product. Any problems that he's having have long been solved. The only thing he's doing is subjecting himself to data loss with unstable software, not just ours, but the others as well. That is why I commented, you can't use illegal, and especially illegal beta software and expect things to work right all the time, or at all, that's why they're not released to the public. It's a simple fact, and anyone who does so should smack themselves upside the head for being surprised when they run into problems. :rolleyes:
 

AdmiralAK

Simply Daemonic
All beta software I have used, public or otherwise do have simpletext files in them that give off some sort of warning message. Anyone downloading beta software should look for some sort of text file READ_ME. If one doesnt exist something is wrong :p
 

Leonis

Registered
Well.....even Public Beta apps can cause data loss :D

Anyway. I really like Maxon's products. Fast, stable (very important) :)

Lightwave is powerful but the constant crashes (even on NT!) really makes me stay away from it.....
 
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