Video newbie...

banjo_boy

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I want to get into video editting, but I have no idea where to start. I have a non-digital camcorder and 733 without the DVD burner. Does anyone have a good video input card they like? I just need advice on what to plug the camcorder into to go to the computer. Card? Tower?

Also, I am not loaded with money, so inexpensive ideas would be much appreciated.

And of course, I will be using iMovie.
 
I miss MPLS! Moved from there to HELL, PA may of 2001....can I come back yet?

But to answer your question...As far as cards (internal) go, I haven't used any. When I got my Mac I bought the Formac Studio DV converter that is great for plugging my analog video camera in to the system. I got the expensive one that records TV and some other stuff for $400. The have a cheaper one that just does the analog thing. Check em out at www.formac.com.

If you are patient I am sure someone will come along and find an even cheaper option for you, but I just wanted to toss out there what has worked great for me so far.

BTW....I also miss the KQRS Morning show, running around Lake Calhoun, oh, and everything else about MPLS. That city just kicks butt!

Later,
Eddie
 
Allong with a DV converter, you will need a DVD burner. The prices of those are
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But this depends on how you are going to connect the burner to your machine.
You will also need some blank DVD's which are not cheep.
 
You really do not want to buy a video converter, they are too expensive for what you get. If you currently have a Hi8 camcorder, I'd highly recommend getting on of the sony digital8 camcorders, the 240/340 models will read your hi8 tapes, and can send them via firewire to the mac. Also, the sony camcorders will work as a converter, so you can plug in the rca/svideo jacks from your vcr, old camcorder, etc, and it will then be able to be sent via firewire to the mac. With some of the sony camcorders coming down to $500 for models like the trv240 it makes alot more sense then spending $400 on just a converter. As for anything that costs less then $400-500 it's really not worth the money as the quality is not very good.

Brian

PS: Vard, you're not allowed back to Minneapolis, there are already too many people who like KQRS, we're trying to kick all Tom Bernard fans out of the city as it is.
 
Oh, I also forgot to mention, pick up the book "iMovie 2 the missing manual", it's a great book on using iMovie and covers all the hardware needed to get up and running with it. It's like $30, got mine at the apple store at MOA.

Brian
 
btoneill is on to something - you will really really want a digital camera soon and digital-8 looks as good as mini-dv, so by getting a digital-8 that can play your old analog tapes, you will be rocking. If I can add my two cents, you might be perfectly happy with a Sony DCR-TRV140. Is is the "low end" of their digital 8 cameras, but the extra features you will pay for on higher models are things you may never use and/or will just use your editing software to do much better (fades, effects... - it is all in the editing software and far easier to use). I think the important thing on any camcorder is manual controls (focus, white balance, exposure...) - these are the things you will really need, not effects, still taking, mpeg... I am new to video and despite my gadget accessory lust, this is what I have learned. I have a Sony mini-dv TRV27 that put me back about $800 and after I played with my brothers TRV140 (that you can get for about $450 - only twice the price you would spend on a video converter!), I realized I would have been happy with that camera - call me crazy, but I think bigger cameras are easier to control in hand held shots. You aren't going to see substantial video quality differences betwen cameras and/or formats until you get into major bucks cameras so don't waste your money!

Also, I have Final Cut Pro 3, but you know what? iMovie is great and I actually prefer it for capturing video (it is much more straight forward). Plus, it really has just about everything you need for 90% of what video editing is all about - rearranging your video to tell a story - NOT fancy effects, filters... Also, there are tons of little plugin effects and filters for iMovie too. I'm certain a skilled editor on iMovie could run circles around an unskilled editor on FCP (like me!). Of course, you will want FCP some day, but don't let that make you fee you are missing out on too much - you aren't.

If you can't afford a new camera right now, just download a bunch of video files of anything that interests you and edit them in iMovie for practice - try it out, it's fun and you will learn a lot. I did this with old Apollo space videos from NASA sites and I learned a lot about editing and was more prepared for when I edited my own stuff.

Good luck!

P.S. You will also learn that controlling your camcorder with your editing software is going to burn out your camera heads and motors if you do it too much. Buy a $30 tape rewinder and just capture all the video in one big batch (iMovie and FCP let you break these up into smaller files quite easily - sort of).

P.P.S. One more thing - there are tons of people on the web selling camcorders for prices that seem too good to be true - they are. Many of these companies are rip off artists (used cameras, missing batteries, lenses, non-USA versions, bait and switch...). They are mostly in NYC and are the scum of the Earth! Crutcfield.com is very honest or just go to Circuit City. Please avoid these online thieves!
 
Reason I mentioned the trv240/340 isthe 140 doesn't offer Hi8 playback, only can record DV format onto Hi8 tapes, so for backwards compat, it's not very useful. Also the 140 doesn't have an accessory shoe, so you can't add on brighter lights, zooming mics, and all that good stuff. With all the rebates sony has right now you can actaully get the higher end models for as much, maybe slightly more then the lower end. The TRV140 has a $50 rebate, while the 240 has a $100 rebate. Compare the amazon.com price of $520 to $440 for the 140 vs. the 240, and with the rebate it's a $30 difference. I ended up getting my TRV18 from them for $505 after rebates, which compared to the $470 price or the trv240 (which i was going to get before that) it was a no brainer to get the trv18 with the carl ziess lense.

Brian
 
The only problem I have is the money. I would love to pick up a sony digital camcorder. But, I don't have the $500 bucks. I really don't have $100. Is there a card that would work?

Like I said, I am just starting out to see if I like it.

Minneapolis is great. I have been here for 9 years. No snow here at all, but you don't see any brass monkey walking outside.
 
Isn't really anything that's cheap. About the cheapest you'll find is the Dazzle Hollywood DV bridge which you can find for about $270. You can probably find some older hardware that will work with OS 9 but no clue on what the quality will be like. Also, some of the older hardware may not be compatable with iMovie and the like.

Brian
 
I wouldn't mind so-so quality, but I really can't pour too much into it.

Thanks for your help everyone!
 
btoneill

Thanks for the info on the TRV 140 - I swear I was thinking there may be some issues like this and was going to defer to you, but I felt I had ballbed on enough!

Banjo boy - keep saving or do what you can - you will realy enjoy digital video! P.S. Do you really play the banjo? I do too - 5 string - Scruggs style!
 
Web design just doesn't pay well (even if you are good.) Money is tight, but I really would like to save my kids' movies in digital.

I do play banjo. Scruggs style. I have a Deering Maple Blossom, no mods. I love it the way it is. Bluegrass is my thing. Earl Scruggs and Jim Mills (banjo for Ricky Skaggs) are my favorites. There are MANY more but they are the main ones.
 
I do play banjo. Scruggs style. I have a Deering Maple Blossom, no mods. I love it the way it is. Bluegrass is my thing. Earl Scruggs and Jim Mills (banjo for Ricky Skaggs) are my favorites. There are MANY more but they are the main ones.

Cool - sounds like you are more experienced than I am - I am an ex jazz and rock guitarist who took up banjo three years ago and I love it. I have a weird banjo, but it really plays and sounds nice - A Wildwood soloist with a tree of life inlay on the neck (real perty) and two scruggs tuners that are a lot of fun to mess with. I used to live in Michigan and if you are ever in Lansing MI (I pray you really never have to go there) visit Elderly Music and you will feel like you died and went to Heaven. www.elderly.com - they have something like 50 new and used banjos at any time - you can walk in and pick up a $15,000 banjo and just start playing it or a $300 bajo - amazing.

P.S. Did you know yesterday (January 6) was Earl's birthday! :)
 
Originally posted by karavite
I used to live in Michigan and if you are ever in Lansing MI (I pray you really never have to go there) visit Elderly Music and you will feel like you died and went to Heaven.

Elderly is one of my favorites. They have the cheapest Gibson Granadas, Earl first banjo. If I didn't love me Deering so much, I would have purchased one from them a couple years back.

P.S. Did you know yesterday (January 6) was Earl's birthday! :) [/B]

Yes I did. And the guy can still play like nobody's business. You gotta love it.

I was reading that after filming his latest film, Steve Martin received a banjo from costar Queen Latifa. Apparently, Steve played for everyone in between takes. The article made a HUGE deal that the banjo cost $5000. My thought was, "Obviously, these people have never check out what a good one is!"

For everyones' info, a great banjo costs between $2000 and $6000. And yes you can get two Apples or a used car for that.
 
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