Why couldn't Apple go With AMD?

nixgeek

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As for AMD in Apple's picture, I'm not so sure unless something changes. MS has "cheated" on Intel by pledging full support initially for AMD64 with WIndows XP x64, with Intel's 64-bit chips being a second thought. The Wintel hegemony is falling apart. Intel saw that and is now cozying up with Apple, and Apple saw an opportunity to cash in on Intel's marketing as well as its own.
 

fryke

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I certainly hope Apple doesn't have an EXCLUSIVE agreement with intel, so they can make use of AMDs chips in the future, too. But we'll see. The most important thing is that Apple _does_ have the options.
 

ngcomputing

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MisterMe said:
Apple says that you will not be able to run MacOS X 10.5 on non-Apple computers. However, it seems that the only thing stopping you is the EULA.
Microsoft was really been pushing for DRM at the bios/hardware level for a while now. I'm thinking that Apple will probably consider the same route. Of course if they are both running an x86 instruction set, some clever assembly coder is going to come up with a crack.

Honestly, Apple would be better off allowing OS/X to run on non-Apple computers. If Windows and OS/X can run on the same hardware, then it is the user who is going to decide which OS they want. It's a simple fact that more people use Windows because Microsoft doesn't sell computers they sell operating systems.

Apple Computer is taking on Microsoft from the OS perspective and taking on every computer manufacturer as well. Apple needs to release the grip around hardware manufacturers throats and focus on what truly makes them different, a superior operating system. Requiring users to buy "their" specific hardware for their exclusive operating system is like Ford saying you can't drive Ford automobiles unless they have Ford tires on them.
 

fryke

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All car comparisons are inherently wrong. And Apple makes a _lot_ of money from their hardware. They won't release OS X/intel for _any_ PC unless they're sure they don't need their hardware money any longer. And _that_ would be a sad day for me, because I happen to _like_ Apple's hardware.
 

Lt Major Burns

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i find it faintly ammusing how almst an entire forum can flip their views from slagging off the amazingly inferior pentiums, to bigging up the new era of super-powerful intel based macs. (i'm not innocent here)

many hats are being eaten.
 

Pengu

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From what everything says, there will be no change to the processor, apple is running on a standard x86 processor.
 

Ted Witcher

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HomunQlus said:
Shipping numbers of a product doesn't affect the way it is. AMD still is... cheaper than Intel. We all know that.
Economies of scale give Intel a price advantage. The more units you make, the lower each unit can cost.
 

Ted Witcher

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HomunQlus said:
But Apple moving to AMD would have meant more potential buyers. I for my part will not buy an Intel-based machine or Intel-based Mac.
Yes, you will.
 

Pengu

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AMD make CPUs, and maybe chipsets. Intel make pretty much anything you ask them to make. their CPUs are slightly less "efficient" than AMDs, they were initally going the wrong way to develop the P4 (ramping up clock speed as opposed to worrying about actual performance)..

at the end of the day we will all buy a new mac with an Intel CPU in it soon enough.
 

Lt Major Burns

"Dicky" Charlteston-Burns
the intels that get into ours will be far superior to the AMD offerings at the time. intel have been hit hard in the last 4 years, and they don't want to sink. that would point to tons of R&D, and i mean loads. something bloody spectacualr should come out of this, (probably their 64 bit chips) and i'd happy to be impressed by it.
 

HomunQlus

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Pengu said:
AMD make CPUs, and maybe chipsets. Intel make pretty much anything you ask them to make. their CPUs are slightly less "efficient" than AMDs, they were initally going the wrong way to develop the P4 (ramping up clock speed as opposed to worrying about actual performance)..

at the end of the day we will all buy a new mac with an Intel CPU in it soon enough.
What about Mainboards? :confused:
 

fryke

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What about them? Apple will probably use a custom mainboard by some maker that puts their specialised chips on it (and you'll need those in order to run Mac OS X). Could be intel themselves. But we'll see. Nobody knows. Well, Steve probably does. But doesn't tell.
 

Sirtovin

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Fryke,

You understand my concerns... Best... This is what I was talking about.

1. Will Intel use their own new main boards?
2. Will Intel use a 64 bit chip? (They should since OS-X Tiger is 64/32 bit Operating System)
3. Will AMD sue Intel for not being able to have a fair share in the Computer Market? Intel and AMD are the 2 top Windows seller PC makers... (If AMD, won't be able to produce their own version for Apple than I do see a lawsuit of some kind in play.)
 

Pengu

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I'd guess apple will probably use an intel manufactured board, to their specs. it won't be like anything else, cus Steve-O wouldn't accept going back to a BIOS, so it would have to have OpenFirmware. no legacy (parallel, serial, ps2)

but as i said (in a different thread i think) i think this will also lead to stuff that intel currently pushes in it's high end chips/chipsets (i think they stopped selling their own line of desktop mobos): ddr2, sata2 (with raid :)), 10gbEth, etc..

if steve jobs is as egomanical as everyone claims, he won't leave us in the lurch with a product going backwards... (keep in mind that PPC seems to have the legs of a 12-week old midget recently)
 

Pengu

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how can AMD sue intel? Apple would have been the ones to approach Intel. If AMD want in, they have to convice apple. but i don't see it happening. i imagine steve will want to stick with ONE manufacturer to avoid further confusion (especially with that whole mhz myth thing again)
 

Sirtovin

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Pengu said:
how can AMD sue intel? Apple would have been the ones to approach Intel. If AMD want in, they have to convice apple. but i don't see it happening. i imagine steve will want to stick with ONE manufacturer to avoid further confusion (especially with that whole mhz myth thing again)
AMD is going to sue someone... probably Apple instead of Intel. They would probably sue because they won't have a share in an X86 processor... Isn't this what Intel is going to give Apple? an X86 processor?
 

pjeski

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Sirtovin said:
AMD is going to sue someone... probably Apple instead of Intel. They would probably sue because they won't have a share in an X86 processor... Isn't this what Intel is going to give Apple? an X86 processor?
What the hell are you talking about? AMD can't sue somebody just for not buying their product.
 

Sirtovin

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pjeski said:
What the hell are you talking about? AMD can't sue somebody just for not buying their product.
actually AMD could sue Apple if Apple decides not to go with any AMD products in the future... due to Intel who will have a monopoly now on the PC/APPLE computer market.
 
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