Why the new imac will fail

Yeah the video resoultion and out put is clearly the lowpoint...

Why bother putting a GeForce if the best we can do is 1024x768?

And why bother putting a video out if it too tops out at 1024x768 ... and only does mirroting rather than driving a 2nd monitor?

Othewise it seems reasonable... except that the base looks like a table lamp.
 
if you think about the way the display moves on the armatage, i.e in an arc, you will realise why the base is that shape. form fits function. imagine that instead the base was a flat topped cylinder. given the same length for the arm, the display would wack the base at a certain point in its range. make the arm longer and balance may be comprimised, plus it would really start to look like a sunflower.

i can think of solutions i would find more attractive, but the design is good even if you don't like the aesthetic result.
 
I think that we all agree, more or less, that the new iMac is a nice piece of hardware, with a beautifull screen, a reasonnable amount of memory, a good HD, and a fast G4. The internal bus is maybe a little slow, but it seems logical for Apple to keep the 133Mhz for the faster (and more expensive) machines.

The look is... futile, because some will love it, and some will not... For me, I think it's a little strange, and, to be honnest, I think the Cube was far more beautifull. But again, it's only a matter of taste.

The real problem is the price. Maybe the Applemaniaks that we are can think that the price is fair, in regard of what Apple put in the box, and maybe this way of thinking is not a bad one, but I think that the target of this new computer is not only the Apple fan, but also the guy who never touched a computer, and even the guy who is a little tired of WindBlows... And for those, I think the machine is too expensive. It should be around 990$... It should be at the same price of the old iMac...

I can only hope that this new, nice computer will not follow the same way that the Cube did...

My B&W G3 is getting old, but this iMac is probably not the machine that will replace it...
 
This old chestnut from Kilowatt:

And I can't stand having zip drives, usb hubs, etc all over my desk. I'd rather mount them in a case. But, thats just personal preference ;-)
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Exactly. If I wanted all that kind of stuff, I'd buy a PowerMac.

This is a consumer machine with limited expandability!!!!

How many times do people have to say it?!?

:rolleyes:

Anyway, I quite like it. Wasn't sure at first. But then I only have a Rev. B Bondi iMac, so what I'd do to swap... Heh heh.

As for fan noise. Well, my old iMac has no fan. But with the help of that bloody CD-ROM drive, it sure is NOISY (especially when taking advantage of the sound-amplification properties of my all-wood desk!
 
Yeh, remember, it's an iMac, not a PowerMac! ;)

And, for the LAST time, the old iMacs are still available form the Apple Store!!
 
Remember, though, it was personal preference which killed off the cube... it wasn't necessarily because it was ugly, but it just didn't get enough buyers, and had hardware probs.
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What!?

The cube failed because it was freakin' expensive. The new (top of the line) imac for the same price as the 450 MHz (bottom of the line)cube is 800 MHz, has a monitor and a DVD burner. Those are much better features. I understand that the cube came out a while ago, but still. At the time that the cube came out you could get a G4 tower with 50 fewer MHz but 3 PCI Slots for hundreds less. The cube is a great machine.

It seems that the argument is that the iMac is not for you. So don't buy one. It's not for me either, but most people I know don't need PCI slots. It's got great sound, great video and all the interfaces you'll ever need. I think it's an excellent computer.
 
Originally posted by kilowatt


And regardless of internal storage, data needs to go out, too. Yes, floppies are antiquated. But sometimes nothing will do like a zip for that photoshop file that can't fit in an email attachment and is to small to warrant a cd burn.
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I just bought 100 blank CDs (800 MB/74 minute) for 29.95. That's 30 cents per disc. This is vastly more cost effective than zip disks or floppies, and it doesn't take a whole lot longer to burn a couple of small files than it does to copy 'em to a zip disk.
 
CD's produce more waste than zippies :p

You americans behave so egoistic and unmoral, you don't think about further generations :p :rolleyes:
 
OK guys...

There are things I agree other... completely disagree:

1) Price: No the new iMac is not so expensive.
- Just try to have a PC with same features for the same price ... impossible, I've tried ... and I'm selling computers !

- Apple's way of doing is alomst the same: same range of high price decreasing the same way. Everybody finds new products expensive, because we're comparing wih products that are reaching the end and are at lowest price, please take a look at the price of the fisrt iMac. Other example: iBook, first reaction, too expensive, now the most affordable laptop !!

- U.S. resident should not cry against the price it's almost 33% more expensive in Europe... ... ...

2) I find the iMac simply beautifull, but that's a matter of person.

3) High end users, as a friend of mine: who's network manager in huge european company, Peecee freaks, thinks that XP is really a good OS.
His reaction: "A new iMac with OSX ? With alittle more RAM, I want one, and I can do everything on it.

4) "Completely-new-user": my girl friend and her mother who bought an iMac 5 month ago. "Why haven't we wait a little more, it's the most beautifull computer I've ever seen."

6) I've got plenty of example like this, and it has been presented yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, I've never seen a reaction like this over a computer !

7) And finally, I got a Cube, I love it, most of the guys talking about this machine never had one in their hands because I can assure you that all the people I've seen trying it (High level user or my grand mother) have all the same reaction: "How can we still buy "normal" computers after trying this... " this let me dream.

With this new iMac, Apple has one more time succed to let us dream, to innovate, to make a computer a revolution... it's inncredible but it IS Apple
 
Originally posted by ksv
CD's produce more waste than zippies :p

You americans behave so egoistic and unmoral, you don't think about further generations :p :rolleyes:
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And it's just become my life goal to bury Norway in discarded CDs.





:eek:
 
Originally posted by Smash
- U.S. resident should not cry against the price it's almost 33% more expensive in Europe... ... ...
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well said, iMacs are converted $ to £ here (the rate is about $1.5 to £1), and they're damn hard to find.
 
Agreed -- SO annoying! Unless you're a business, you're going to be paying VAT. So the prices of the new iMac in UK are as follows:

- CD-RW 700 MHz: £987 ex VAT, £1149 inc VAT
- Combo 700 MHz: £1105 ex VAT, £1299 inc VAT
- Super 800 MHz: £1361 ex VAT, £1599 inc VAT

Now, the current exchange rate per the BBC is £1 = $1.4398

If I translate the VAT-inclusive prices to US, and compare with the US deals, this is what you get:

- CD-RW 700 MHz: $1299 in US ($1654 in UK)
- Combo 700 MHz: $1499 in US ($1870 in UK)
- Super 800 MHz: $1799 in US ($2302 in UK)

Rip-off Britain again!

Now, as I understand it, Apple's market share in Europe has fallen over the past couple of years, despite sales coups like the iMac. If that is true, is it any wonder, with price differences like this?

Yeah, we all know the UK is expensive, but even so. I'd love to be "only" paying $1,799 for a top-end iMac!

So the next time I hear guys from the States telling me to buy a new Mac (I still have a 233 MHz G3 iMac) -- as in the recent "why are you still on OS 9" debate -- see what we have to deal with over here.

Grrr...
 
Yah, here the cheapest iMac costs about as much as the high end one in US.

Stop complaining, americans! ;)
 
Hey ben...something loks fishy about thoise US to UK prices .. are you sure thats what is comes to ? :confused:


Tell you one thing.. I get my brand spanking new triband GSM phones from teh UK before they hit here he he :) other than that I buy stuff from here :p
 
Well, I just did a straight currency conversion to show how lucky the US guys are! Yup, that's what things come to. OK, so some states have sales tax to go on top of the Apple prices, but I bet that tax isn't nearly 18%!!

This has always been the UK's experience with Apple products.

For example, I bought my Rev B iMac three years ago, with a Umax scanner (1220U) and an Epson SC 740 printer. The bundle was £1,200 -- around $1,720 -- which was considered an absolute bargain!

Yeah, mobile phones here are cheap, compared with the US. Unlike most thingies techie though, the US has always been behind Europe and Japan in terms of mobile communications.

I'd sooner have cheaper Apple stuff ;-)
 
European readers of this board are complaining that

1) we waste too much because we LOVE CD-Rs...

2) Britian's VAT hikes the prices up.

Response to item 1) If I ever see you on the road, I'm going to run you down in my big gas guzzling SUV, while at the same time I will be throwing out my old CD-Rs at the poor homeless people begging for change on the street.

NOT!

Get real. CD's can be recycled. No one is really doing it right now, but the materials can be reprocessed back in to new CD-Rs. When it becomes profitable to do so, you will see it start to happen.

I don't see Europeans coming up with ways to recycle those damn Yugo's, that you usually see broken down on the side of the road.... Talk about an environmental disaster waiting to happen...

Response to item 2) Sorry, can't really help the fact that because Britian is a socialist country, you pay much high taxes than us here in the US. This obviously puts American based companies at a disadvantage selling to your citizens, but unless Tony Blair and Parliament changes something, this problem will affect all US imports, not just Macs.
 
:D

Jesus wept. I've lived in the US and in the UK, I've studied politics in both countries, I like America and Americans. But...

... the UK is so not a socialist state...

... I haven't seen a Yugo in years, especially not in the UK...

... And as far as CDs go, burn as many as you want...

.. Just don't be an all-too-typical American cliché:

This obviously puts American based companies at a disadvantage selling to your citizens, but unless Tony Blair and Parliament changes something, this problem will affect all US imports, not just Macs.
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... That's boring.

Now, whilst I agree the taxation is a piece of Brit stupidity, it doesn't detract from the fact that Apple charge more for their products overseas than in the US. And considering the profit margins on much of the product line are high, this is kind of cack if Apple want more market penetration in Europe.

But I guess that's how they got such large cash reserves. Good luck to 'em!
 
Just a thought..

I wonder if import/export tariffs are imposed on the machines, adding to the pre-VAT price. A quick bit of maths suggests about a US$160 difference on the high-end iMac which, although high, could be largely explained by the various tariffs/import fees imposed on bringing that into the UK. Figure in good old-fashioned shipping costs, and it'd be almost right. Sucks, but explainable.

Too bad Apple's not selling 'em at the Duty-Free Shops... :)
 
Yeah, that would make sense, except AFAIK, Apple have a manufacturing facility in Ireland (certainly that was where my aged iMac was built).

No idea if it's still there. But I don't think UK Macs are imported from the US... I could be wrong!
 
Yeah, it used to be a lot of the Powerbooks came out of Cork as well, but a quick look @ the bottom of my iBook says that it was assembled in Taiwan. So, it's entirely possible (although probably not the most efficient way) that they're being imported in the UK via the US. Not sure...
 
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