Why the new imac will fail

Just to say it isn't unfortunatelly just UK !!!

example top iMac

U.S. 1799 $
Belgium 2554 $

You see what I mean .... ... ... ...

With prices like this, you realize that you really have to love macs to pre-order it ! And why only enterprises can afford macs, God bless my boss ;o)
 
Hey Guys, the new iMac is a nice machine. Superdrive, 15' flat screen, g4 800 and a nvidia 32 meg. You r crazy, a similar system up to a week ago cost 3000 dollars and now is all there. Don't forget that this is a consumer supercomputer. you can do everything and more that you can do with the fastest pentium computer. The superdrive from pioneer cost 500 $ alone, that makes the system 1200. The flat screen 400 and we r down to 800. That is your sub 1000 supercomputer. Plus on the apple store they still sell a 799 $ iMac from the old series so, here we go. Let's stop criticize everything that apple does, I believe is a really creative and innovative machine. Plus lets wait to see it before we jump at conclusion.

Ciao
 
Hey, I'm not dissing the machine -- I think on first glance that Apple have done a great job. I just hate the fact it's so expensive in certain territories when it doesn't have to be!
 
New IMAC super computer??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You've been using Imacs for too long, cause you've gotten used to slow performance, G4 800mhz can't even beat an old 1ghz Athlon Thunderbird.
 
... the UK is so not a socialist state...

Maybe not in the pure sense of the word, but although the UK employs some democratic philosphies, it's approach to health care and social welfare programs are very socialistic, especially when viewed through the eyes of citizen of a constitutional republic.

Yes, the prices are going to be slightly higher in the UK, even aside from the VAT. Although there is a Apple plant in Cork, Ireland, I'm pretty sure it's not making the new iMacs. Those are coming from Quanta in Taiwan, I believe.

I'm sure Apple's prices reflect the added costs (whatever they may be) of doing business in the UK. Aside from the VAT that the buyer pays, Apple probably has to pay quite a bit more taxes just to do business in the UK, and they need to pass those costs on to the consumers.

Again, if you don't like it, pressure you government to adopt a more business friendly attitude and lower corporate taxes.

"But I don't want those greedy companies to get a tax break", you say...

Well, this just illustrates the point (valid here in the USA as well), that CORPORATIONS DONT PAY TAXES, PEOPLE DO . The Corporation always just passes the cost of paying taxes on to their customers.

Sorry, this is quickly becoming Economic 101...
 
Heh. Like me in my original post, you're grossly over-simplifying the situation!

There is an Apple UK. We're not importing all our Macs from the US and paying appropriate duties etc., Apple computers are imported from Ireland, Taiwan, wherever, like any other consumer product in the UK (very little, if anything, is made here any more!)

It is an intentional pricing decision for Apple to charge what it charges in Europe, and that's their prerogative. But they shouldn't then talk about trying to boost consumer uptake / overall market share in the same territories, when they're being intentionally non-competitive!

In addition, "pressuring ones local government to change things"?

C'mon! Are you from Planet Naive?!?
 
Yeh. Macs are waay more expensive in Europe, even without the tax. Still they're more expensive in Norway thanin UK ;)
 
Originally posted by ManicDVLN
New IMAC super computer??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You've been using Imacs for too long, cause you've gotten used to slow performance, G4 800mhz can't even beat an old 1ghz Athlon Thunderbird.
it is a super computer it performs over 1 billion floating point calculations a second, they dont base it on an athlon thunderbird.
 
Originally posted by ManicDVLN
New IMAC super computer??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You've been using Imacs for too long, cause you've gotten used to slow performance, G4 800mhz can't even beat an old 1ghz Athlon Thunderbird.

Maan. Apple had supercomputers years ago.
 
Originally posted by ManicDVLN
New IMAC super computer??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You've been using Imacs for too long, cause you've gotten used to slow performance, G4 800mhz can't even beat an old 1ghz Athlon Thunderbird.

Yes of course...
And you're gonna tell us that Windows XP is far better than any other system... that you like the sound of the fan put on your "suuuuuper" processor, because of it's high power... No my dear it's because thins thing that you call a precessor is as the rest of microbrol windows compatible... not finished when released...

Get informed and read processor speed as noyhing to do with computer performance, it is the architecture of the computter that matter.

Go on reading on this forum and TRY a mac before saying something completely false...

Don't take it personnal man, I do not blame you, you just don't know

;o)
 
OK, so I haven't read all four pages of this, but I would like to say that as someone who actually works in an Apple store, that the new iMac is drawing crowds every day, and not just Mac users either. I've talked to several people who are ready to switch from Windows just because of the price point and features of the new iMac.

If the initial reaction is anything to go by, I expect to sell a great deal of them.
 
FAIL?
Are you terribly misinformed, or is this just another chance for you to turn on your whinner? This new iMac is selling like crazy. I ordered mine the day they were announced at MacWorld and I'm still on back order until mid February. I'll bet you complained when they introduced the mouse, saying "That thing will never work, nobody's gonna use a mouse to input data, people are to used to keyboards."

EXPENSIVE?
Show me another package that offers an LCD flat panel, 60GB HD, DVD burner, CD burner, and an 800 mhz processor, and the most advanced OS ever put to bytes for under $2000 — IT DOSEN'T EXSIST!

UGLY?
This thing is beautiful. If you want to talk ugly, call your mother!

Once again Apple boldly goes where no PC has gone before ... don't be jealous, be happy for those of us who can afford one!:D
 
welcome to the site bigbadbill!!

too bad you weren't here when this thread was going strong. pretty opinionated for a 1st post. hope we see lots more like it in the future.:)


it's ok. you're among bretheren now;)
 
Originally posted by bigbadbill
FAIL?
Are you terribly misinformed, or is this just another chance for you to turn on your whinner? This new iMac is selling like crazy. I ordered mine the day they were announced at MacWorld and I'm still on back order until mid February. I'll bet you complained when they introduced the mouse, saying "That thing will never work, nobody's gonna use a mouse to input data, people are to used to keyboards."

EXPENSIVE?
Show me another package that offers an LCD flat panel, 60GB HD, DVD burner, CD burner, and an 800 mhz processor, and the most advanced OS ever put to bytes for under $2000 — IT DOSEN'T EXSIST!

UGLY?
This thing is beautiful. If you want to talk ugly, call your mother!

Once again Apple boldly goes where no PC has gone before ... don't be jealous, be happy for those of us who can afford one!:D

Although I am about to make another thread (which is my admission of guilt ;-) ), I want to set the record straight:

1) Discounting the dvd burning model, the new imac is still very expensive. Not to mention that the dvd burning one can only do 1024x768. I mean, thats messed up. WTF? Don't most dvd burning people want something more? (Like a 17" model that does 1280x1024.. heh I wouldn't be surprised if we see that soon). I think apple HAS to keep a budget friendly model out. Now, rumor has it that the new imac will in time actually cost $999, which is GREAT! BTW, I am sitting infrount of a QuickSilver g4, which cost more than $1699. Much more. So if I wanted to, I could probably sell my comp and get a new imac.

2) Ugly is a relative term. I've seen it now, and you are all right, its not that bad. Infact, I think its rather pretty.

3) My mom's not ugly. And if you say it again, I'm gona ping flood your ass with my college's ATM line, all day for a week ;-) (ok so I probably wouldn't do that.. they didn't like it last time...)

4) Welcome to the board. Nothing personal here, btw. Glad you stuck your neck in this thread, we need some new voices!
 
The new iMac rocks, and it's not going to be a failure! A few points:

Kilowatt, calling the iMac "ugly" is proof that it's a good design. That's because any design that elicits such powerful emotional responses is a success, it's powerful effect on the emotions is not easy to do. A love/hate response is expected, but as long as enough people "love' the new design, then it will sell fine.

As an analogy, we can use your mom. I think that your mom is butt-ugly, but it doesn't matter, because your father found beauty in her and that attraction resulted in your birth. Same with the iMac...plenty of people will like it and buy it. ;)

As for price, I agree that the price is a tad high, but if you price comparable dell computers, with 15" lcds of comparable quality, you'll find that the iMac is actually about the same price, if not a bit cheaper.

The iMac differs from the cube in a number of respects:

1. Price. The imac is cheaper than the cube was, but it comes with a 15" LCD display. It's got a G4, a fast, 7200 rpm HD, and the optical drive is good on the high end models as well. It also comes with style, something that's hard to put a price on, but looks great on one's desk.

2. Features: There is no other way to get the features of the superdrive iMac for so little in any other computer. It's an excellent deal if you want a superdrive for burning DVDs that you create on your computer. For those who only need a CDRW drive, the $1500 iMac is a good deal. A full gamut of I/O ports graces the iMac, and it's built to last. The software bundle is outstanding. The ability to edit digital movies and burn them to DVD is amazing for such an inexpensive computer...even 2 years ago this simply wouldn't have been possible on a consumer desktop computer at all. Now it's within reach of anyone who really wants it. Imagine, that anyone aspiring to be an independent film maker can now buy an iMac and FCP and have the ability to create a professionally edited movie, on a DVD. This opens up the visual arts to a far wider range of creative individuals than ever before possible.

3. Value: combine the price and features, and you have value. I think it's safe to say that the new iMac probably offers the most value of any Apple product in some time. It's got far more value than the CRT iMac did, and there's no question that it has more value than the cube.

Shortcomings: I don't believe the iMac is perfect, but I suspect Apple will correct some of it's shortcomings in the future.

1. Screen size. For me and many others, a 15" LCD is too small. However I expect Apple to offer a 17" LCD iMac sometime in the future. The base is heavy enough, and the chrome arm is sturdy enough for at least a 17" LCD. Cut out the superdrive, and add a 17" display, and I think such a model would fly off the shelves.

2. Video card: It's a shame that the video card isn't upgradeable. If it were in an AGP slot then the iMac would boast even greater value since the video card is usually rendered obsolete more quickly than any other component. We can be consoled by Apple's choice of a standard video card at least--32 MB Geforce 2mx w/ddr RAM is nothing to sneeze at, and it should offer excellent performance for today's games. Unfortunately, it won't be able to play tomorrow's games, but it still makes the g4 iMac more of a gaming machine than any previous iMac.

3. Processor: The G4 CPU in the iMac needs to be faster. This is more of a marketing issue than a performance issue, since the G4 actually does keep up with Pentiums clocked up to twice it's MHz. But still, it's difficult for Apple to convince Wintel drones of this, and thus fewer people will convert from windows.

4. Ports/power button difficult to access. This seems to be the one tradeoff Apple made when styling the iMac. Not a big deal, but it would be nice to have a few USB, FW ports on the front, and the power button should be on the front of the base, or the display. Not a big issue, though.

But to say the iMac will be a failure, that's absurd. Already, it's selling like mad, and there is no indication that sales will subside anytime soon. If Apple is smart they will update the iMac at MWNY, with a speedbump, lower prices perhaps, and hopefully a 17" LCD. That will keep the iMacs moving....

A new G4 iMac running OS X is Apple's best ticket to increased market share in a long time, IMO.
 
I have used a PC all my life. In fact I had only touched a mac a very few times before the new flat screen iMac. I went to art school and we used them in some classes, but I never used anything other than Photshop on it then I would go home to my PC and finish my project on Photoshop there.

But Apple one two punched me. I had wanted an iPod for some time, but was not going to switch to Apple for that one product....until DRUM ROLL please.... I saw the flat screen iMac. I mean I saw it on a Wednesday and by the next Wednesday I marched right out and bought the SuperDrive model and an iPod. They got me. Now I love macs...

I think they did well.
 
Uoba-

I've got that same problem. Makes for a long day!

Kilowatt-

Sorry about the ugly mother comment. I was just making fun. I would not like my ass to be ping flooded, it doesn't sound very comfortable...
 
I was a PC user for over a decade (since 1987 actually). Had it all from windows 3.1 till windows XP. And it SUCKED. Tried Linux too. Very cool for running your personal mailserver, webserver or whatever. But not as a desktop (however, KDE 3 is nice). It's just inconsistent and it is NOT EASY too learn (although getting better all the time).

Now I've got this iMac since 2 weeks. And I LOVE IT! I threw out all three PC's (!!), and my desk too. My iMac now sits in a corner on my dining table in my (small) livingroom. Saves lots of space and looks cool. And yes, the GF-factor is important :cool: ... They LOVE it :D

If you like the looks of the machine is a matter of taste. I do love it from the first second I saw it.

About the speed / price: if you compare it to PowerMac prices recently, it sure is a lot of computing power for your bucks. Common man, you've got a 700 MHz machine with 256 MB RAM and a combodrive for 1899 Euro's (discount price I paid). That's a bloody bargain in my opinion (1899 euro's is around $1700 I guess).

Would you mind formulating a bit different in next posts? I don't mind posting your OPINION. But don't say things like: "It is just crap, shit blablabla". Not very nice and a bit like a flame. Let's just be open and friendly here and share our _opinions_ in a mature way :p
 
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