Windows Codename Longhorn copies Mac OS X BADLY!

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http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview.asp

It's their next version of Windows and if this doesn't mean blatent copying of the Mac OS and it's integrated products/technologies, I don't know what is.

DVD burning - Longhorn will expand on Windows XP's support for DVD-RAM and offer shell-based DVD burning capabilities similar to XP's CD burning features. It will also include DVD movie making capabilities, probably through Windows Movie Maker (see the next feature).

Doesn't iDVD pretty much do that? And can't you burn to DVD with a SuperDrive?! Windows catches on REALLY fast...

Windows Movie Maker 2 - Windows Movie Maker (WMM) is being rearchitected from the ground up to support a much wider range of features, including multiple audio and video tracks, multiple video transition types, and other features.

Doesn't iMovie/iDVD do this also?

Improved Network Setup Wizard - Microsoft has received a lot of complaints from users that the new Network Setup Wizard doesn't always explain what it's doing. It also doesn't offer any elegant way to reverse changes. These shortcomings will be addressed in Longhorn.

Umm... for ease of use, can anyone say AirPort?

Although the GUI looks really pretty and some features are good, I don't want MSN/Microsoft to be ALL OVER MY DAMN COMPUTER EVERY WHERE I GO!
 
Imitation is often the most sincere form of flattery - and it sure doesn't hurt if your own overpaid staff have trouble understanding what people need!
 
all these MS copies apple posts is sooooooooooooooo stupid and totally un founded. just cus someone comes out first with something and someone else does later it does not mean copy. like if MS came out with finder burning first for cd's and apple did it i am sure none of you would bitch.
dvd recording is the next step after cd's so it's totally normal and logical, NOT copying!!!
 
but it seems like it's very logical knowing how much M$ has copied off of Apple in the past...


and this coming from a Microsoft ONLY User for 8+ years... so don't think I'm doing this because i'm a Mac User, because i'm not.
 
Hmm...you have to offer technologies other's already have. I wouldn't call it to "copy" something. Windows had preemptive multitasking for years. So Apple did copy MS. Windows first had a unified architecture for drawing media (f.e. in games, called DirectX). So Apple did copy MS (Sprockets, OpenGL/Quartz). Windows first had multi-user support. So Apple did copy MS.
Wait, but Unix had multi-user support even before Windows. So MS copied Unix, and we copied MS. Oh, and Unix had preemptive multitasking. And RealMedia released an MP3 app which let's you create catalogs, or let's call it libraries, of your MP3. There, we copied RealMedia. AMD invented the new BUS architecture the G5 will use. So Apple copied AMD. And AMD copied the flat registry of the G4. But we again copied the SIMD technology and called it Altivec.
Maybe you get my point. Staying at the edge of development means that you also have to "copy" the ideas of others. MS also had enough own, good ideas. I don't wanna defend Microsoft, but the mentioned features are just features a future Windows has to have if it wants to be successful.
Just be happy that our system had them first.
 
Ulrik is right, though I'm not too sure on some of the details. OpenGL is an open standard implemented by a group of companies, including Apple, MS, and Silicon Graphics, and is standard on everything from PlayStation 1 to Windows. Many of the technologies we use today are made by co-operation between these companies.
If Microsoft hadn't implemented the "Burn to DVD in Explorer" feature, they would be seen as lagging behind. It doesn't matter that this was first introduced in OS X 10.1 in a big demonstration at MacWorld NY some months ago. It doesn't matter that we got it first. They are simply responding to market pressures and providing their users with the features that people are asking for.
Sure, I hate seeing MS copying Apple's stuff now and then, but it sure beats MS letting people down. There are so many Windows users out there, and so many people who have to support them. If Windows gets better in any way, that can only be good for all those users (except, of course, when MS slugs them $200+ bucks for the upgrade).
 
I agree with Ulrik and Symphonix.

It is basic product management - as a software house you have to look at the critical issues as to why someone would purchase your competitor's product over your own. You then get these features into your own product and then try to be innovative to leave the competition behind.

Yeah sure M$ will produce an OS that will look a lot like the best bits of OSX in the future and could possibly have some nicer bits. But by then we hope that Apple will have moved on. We as Apple consumers know that Apple are more innovative than M$ (that is why we bought macs) so I don't really care what M$ do. All I know is that after I threw out my PC and bought a couple of Macs I actually started to be productive with my computer.
 
Originally posted by symphonix
Ulrik is right, though I'm not too sure on some of the details. OpenGL is an open standard implemented by a group of companies
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Wups, sporry, I didn't mean OpenGL itself, I ment the idea to have a unified graphics layer to draw any media content, the Quartz layer. In some kind, people COULD say we stole this from Microsoft with DirectX...that's all I wanted to imply, not that Apple invented OpenGL ;)
 
One of those screenshots looks like a
1) candyfication of a borg alcove (seriously!)
and/or
2) Something out of surealistic painting.


I am curious. Any betas out there ? :p
 
Well, just a nit-picking historic point:

DirectX wasn't first, Apple's QuickDraw 3D came out before DirectX, and in fact when Apple ended their QuickDraw 3D project their lead engineer in it went to Microsoft to startup M$'s DirectX project. DirectX in fact borrowed heavily from the work Apple did with QuickDraw 3D.

Also, saying Apple copied UNIX is a little off also, Apple literally *is* UNIX, or at least a UNIX variant (of FreeBSD and NetBSD). Actually, MacOS X's history should be traced back to NeXTSTEP, not the initial release of OS X. When you consider that, there's very little (at least ulrik listed) that you could claim Apple copied from M$.

So...
1) Apple had a unified architecture for drawing media (QuickDraw has its roots back to 1989) before Microsoft. They did not copy that.
2) NeXTSTEP had preemptive multitasking before Windows, so by continuation so did MacOS X.
3) Almost every *nix variant has had multi-user support, long before Microsoft. Apple didn't copy Microsoft, although you could argue it did barrow from UNIX, and that's not a hidden secret, it is UNIX.
4) Motorola and AMD share a fab. Actually the Hammer AMD is working on and the G5 are quite similar (there are major differences of course too). Apple didn't copy AMD, but Motorola and AMD have shared technology, and Apple uses a product designed by Motorola.

Yes, there are legitimate things that can be pointed out that Apple has borrowed from M$. Although a lot of what actually was can be attributed to compatibility more than actually leaning on M$'s R&D. Apple has, at least under the guidance of Steve Jobs, been its own company, and it goes its own direction. That's been proven over and over, Apple's going to do its own thing and it doesn't care too much what M$ does. M$ however does pay close attention to Apple, and often follows it into new markets, example "the digital lifestyle." billy g is most impressed with iMovie (he's confessed in an interview before), and to put it simply, he wants it. Of course he wants a lot, none of which are short of world domination :p

When it comes down to it, Microsoft copies heavily Apple technology, far more and more blatantly than is done vice versa.

Cheers,
Dak
my 2 pesos
 
I don´t like Windows very much, but I don´t think that includding DVD burning capabilities, MovieMaker to edit videos and Wireless support is "copying".
 
Originally posted by Dak RIT
Well, just a nit-picking historic point:

DirectX wasn't first, Apple's QuickDraw 3D came out before DirectX, and in fact when Apple ended their QuickDraw 3D project their lead engineer in it went to Microsoft to startup M$'s DirectX project. DirectX in fact borrowed heavily from the work Apple did with QuickDraw 3D.
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OK, there I should have checked first...

Also, saying Apple copied UNIX is a little off also, Apple literally *is* UNIX, or at least a UNIX variant (of FreeBSD and NetBSD). Actually, MacOS X's history should be traced back to NeXTSTEP, not the initial release of OS X. When you consider that, there's very little (at least ulrik listed) that you could claim Apple copied from M$.
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You got me completely wrong! I was sarcastic! Following the logic implied in other posts in this thread, you could say Microsoft copied preemptive multitasking from Unix, and Apple copied from Microsoft etc. etc. Of course, nobody "copied", they just added what was state-of-the-art. It was ment as a sarcastic commentary.
 
Considering all of MS' programmers will be taking a month off of actual coding to learn how to code "secure" apps as per Big Bill's memo I think there might be a few hitches in the release of any new MS products.
 
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