Would Tiger be available for G3?

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Of late Mac has nearly stopped making anything for G3 computers. I wonder if Tiger would be available for G3 processors??
 
Been talked about before. Tiger will be compatible with mainly the same hardware as Panther. You won't get 64bit support, obviously (just like G4 users) and your graphics card probably won't support some of the effects etc. But other than that, Tiger should run with the same or better performance than Panther on supported hardware. If Tiger really comes as a DVD install only, you might run into problems if you only have a CD drive. There are ways around that, though.
 
If Tiger really comes as a DVD install only, you might run into problems if you only have a CD drive. There are ways around that, though.
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fryke, im more interested in that part actually. back at home, i have G3 366MHz iBook, i would really love to know on how about to install the Tiger OS on my iBook. if possible, you can share with me on that particular topic... =)
 
Well, you can put a DMG of the Tiger installation DVD on a harddrive (internal or external), mount it and install from there while booted into Panther by opening the installer's .mpkg file (you'd find it somewhere on the DVD). While this isn't the "supported" installation type, it usually still works fine for me. I'm not sure ATM whether you can upgrade a Panther system like that or you'd have to install onto a different volume than your startup volume, but there'd be a way around the DVD restriction. (and if you already have an external drive, you could boot from that and install onto the internal one...)
 
that's great... never thaught of doing in such method... i will try it later when the Tiger is out... kewl...

thanks fryke...
 
I'm running Tiger on a G3 right now, although I will say spotlight is rather sluggish. So I don't know how many features will run smoothly for us lowly G3 users. ;)
 
Spotlight is rather sluggish because of the indexing involved... It is actually quite similar to MacOS 9's indexing, so on older machines it tends to suck down quite a few resources, more than it needs to.
 
Define sluggish. The indexing in Spotlight is totally different then the indexing in OS9. In OS9 it indexed the entire computer every few days. In OSX, it indexes a file when it is being saved, and only that file. The first index you go through will be closest to what you would expect during any OS9 index. Everything after that though shouldn't really be noticeable. From what I can tell, Spotlight is kind of dependent on the speed of the harddrive you are using. On my iBook Spotlight has acceptable speed, though it isn't as fast as the demos shown.

For those of you who are worried about Spotlights indexing speed, and etc, don't listen to those who haven't used it yet, or have no understanding of how this works. Spotlight doesn't index the way OS9 does. It will do one major index any time a new writeable volume is added, but that is it. Beyond that, the indexing is part of saving a file. Now, if you have a G3, doing searches may not be as fast as a G5, but that is obvious. Tiger will run the same, if not faster then Panther. On the machine I use it on, it actually runs faster. If you have a Quartz Extreme enabled laptop, then Tiger won't be a big deal. I personally probably wouldn't recommend the upgrade for anyone using less then 300 or 350MHz G3. This isn't based on hands on expierence though. I ran Panther on my G3 500 for a while, and it ran perfectly fine, I would imagine that Tiger would run fine on it as well.
 
Searches aren't that bad on the older G3s, it is the indexing hit from starting up the system into Tiger. It sucked down 50% of my CPU for 8 hours worth of uptime before the main index was built. After that it isn't so bad... but still, I would call that a noticable, and rather significant impact. Yes, it does save some of the major impact from doing full re-indexing, but the indexing method is still pretty much the same... except MacOS 9 would do it in a fourth of the time, practically lock you out of the machine while doing it, and always do a full reindex. It is that initial CPU hog that you *cannot* turn off, pause, kill, etc that drives me up the wall.
 
azrad said:
fryke, im more interested in that part actually. back at home, i have G3 366MHz iBook, i would really love to know on how about to install the Tiger OS on my iBook. if possible, you can share with me on that particular topic... =)
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i would buy i 8 € firewire cabel, hook the computers together and either:

a) do a restart and hold "t" on the ibook so you could treat it as an external harddrive to the powerbook (that you could intall tiger on)

or

b) while connected like that (with the ibook in targetmode) make the ibooks harddrive the startdrive of the powerbook. That would be exactly like putting the ibooks harddrive inside the powerbook and would "fool" any installer. i did this when i had a first gen eMac and needed to install garageband. lended a friends ibook that had a combodrive.


oh... and to the original poster: you mean Apple, not mac. Apple makes computers (macintosh), applications, displays, ipod etc.
sorry for being picky. :)
 
nop. i meant OR. ;)

this is what i mean:

a) it might be enough to just mount the ibooks harddrive on the powerbook and then installing.

BUT IF THIS IS NOT WORKING

b) you do as above but also make sure the ibook hd is the startdrive of the powerbook.

Verstehst du? :)
 
Yes, but that doesn't make any difference, really. The installation DVD sets itself as the startup drive when you click on the installer and then restarts the computer, so your b) doesn't make much sense. You choose the drive for installation when booted from the installation DVD - and there neither the PowerBook's nor the iBook's harddrive are marked as startup drive (since the DVD actually is), but both should be available for installation destination.
 
The search speed IMHO is a bit slow. LaunchBar etc are faster App Launchers...

So far :)
 
Definitely. But then that's what I always said about those questions of whether QuikSilver/LaunchBar would be replaced by Spotlight: Spotlight is per definitionem a tool for searching. Anything. Based on Metadata. The launchers are first and foremost THAT: Launchers. They've added some pretty smart search capabilities to both LaunchBar and QuikSilver, but I've come to simply use both as initially intended: I've got LaunchBar to launch my apps and got Spotlight to search my files and contents. It's not the same task, and I like specialised software for each purpose here.
 
I'd say if you use Spotlight to open commonly used files or applications then there's something wrong with you ;)
 
Tiger Requirements (what I wish:)
* Any PCI-based Macintosh with a 604e+ processor
* 128MB RAM minium (256 highly recommended)
* 6GB HD for minium install (2GB for Tiger); 15GB for full (4GB for Tiger, 3GB for OS 9 and iLife'05*)
* Limitations:
* No network connection, no Web Mail or iChat
* 56k modem or faster required for iChat A; Dual-Channel ISDN or faster for iChat AV
* OldWorld: No floppy or serial port support.
* Need ATI Radeon or NVIDIA GeForce 2MX or higher w/16MB or more for Quartz Extreme
* Need G4 for certain accelaration.

* Availiable seperately
(what I expect):
• Any computer with built-in FireWire*
• 256MB RAM or higher
• 1.75-2.0 GB Minium Install, 4GB full
• CD-ROM drive (comes with 4 CDs; no developer tools)
• DVD-ROM drive for DVD edition (comes with 1 DVD Including Developer tools)
• Modem for Internet access; 56k for iChat A, 100k for AV.
* This may be built-in USB.
 
Huh? You don't have to expect. Minimum is
- G3 processor
- 256 MB RAM
- DVD drive
- built-in FireWire

That's it. Nothing to speculate about...
 
G3, 256 MB and CD-Drive will be enough, I am quite sure my B&W G3 will operate Tiger end of April.

All Apple software but GarageBand, iDVD and some high end software require a DVD.
 
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