10.3 doesn't come with Classic?

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Ripcord

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Sorry if this was posted elsewhere, but I notice that Apple has a link off of the main OS X page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/pdf/MacOS_9.2_Upgrade_Form_v3.pdf) that tells me that users of 10.3 "qualify for purchase/upgrade" of 9.2.

Am I misreading this? Or is it telling me that OS 9 does not come with Panther?

If that's true, does that mean that Classic will not be pre-loaded on new machines? This "upgrade" seems to only apply to retail purchases of Panther, so I'm thinking that either 1) New machines will be loaded with OS 9, or 2) You'll need to spend EXTRA money (i.e. "full price") for OS 9, or 3) Apple will not sell you OS 9 for new machines without purchase of Panther, i.e. they're REALLY strongly discouraging it).

Anything but thought #1 will be yet another blow to my efforts to get Macs into my company, since the only Exchange client (that actually works) is a Classic app.
 
Sometimes you need to let an old thing die. OS 9 is dead. It's been dead. I am sorry. Does that not make it great? At the time, it was awsome. But now we have OS X! And not to mention we're on the third major version of OS X. I have OS 9 installed just in case I ever needed it...but never have. And we can't be too suprised anyway. I mean it's been years now that they've been saying OS 9 is gonna go away forever. People thought that It would be gone with 10.2 (didn't they?). In any case, let it die....
 
os 10.2 didn't come with os 9. at the retail level they have been 2 seperate purchases all along. there is nothing shocking about it not coming with 10.3.
 
edX, I dunno about the in-the-box version, but when my mother got jagwire free with the education thing, we recieved the jaguar upgrade disks, and 9.2 disks. I don't know if they were upgrade or install or what (set them aside somewhere), but they came with our jaguar.
 
OS 9.1 was included with 10.0, OS 9.2 with 10.1. I don't know about Jaguar as I got this with my computer and I didn't buy the box... But yep: OS 9 is dead, anyway. But where's the problem? Any Mac you've bought so far came with Classic or even OS 9, right? So you've got it already. No problem at all. There's no 'new' version of OS 9, anyway...
 
Mac OS X v10.0 did come with a Mac OS 9 install CD. Mac OS X v10.1 also came with a Mac OS 9 install CD, Mac OS X v10.1 upgrade came with a Mac OS 9.2 upgrade CD. Mac OS X v10.2 did not come with a Mac OS 9 CD of any type.

As for the education package for 10.2, I don't recall seeing a 9 CD with that when I installed it for a teacher last November (she already had it installed).

Q. Why is Apple even bringing the issue up now?

A. Enough systems are out there that didn't come with a Mac OS 9 install CD (usually it was part of the restore CDs/DVD) that Apple realized that people who are going to start over from scratch (reformatting there systems) with a fresh 10.3 install are going to need another way of getting Mac OS 9 for using Classic.
 
Originally posted by UNIX X11
no.. 4th major version of OS X...
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I disagree. 3rd.
10.0 was horrible, I refuse to see it as a "major version", it wasn't useable for daily tasks simply cause it wasn't fast enough. IMO, 10.1 was the first major version of OS X, the one that made me stop using OS 9.
 
Originally posted by voice-
I disagree. 3rd.
10.0 was horrible, I refuse to see it as a "major version", it wasn't useable for daily tasks simply cause it wasn't fast enough. IMO, 10.1 was the first major version of OS X, the one that made me stop using OS 9.
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Huh? OS X 10.0 was the MOST major release of OS X in my opinion -- it was our first taste of the new UNIX system and it was revolutionary compared to OS 9. It completely unique and new, which qualifies a big, gaudy, loud "major!" in my book. It was, undoubtedly, a major release.

10.1 sped things up considerably and fixed a lot of problems. It was the first OS X considered to be usable on a daily basis, which I did. Remember driving 4 hours to grab that 10.1 update CD, or waiting patiently by the mailbox for FedEx to arrive? And then installing it and going, "Whoa, now THAT'S better!" That's major number 2.

10.2 was everything OS X was supposed to be, finally! Speed, stability, good looks, applications, compatibility, better printing, etc... major 3.

And now 10.3 -- this is major major. Without a doubt.

That's four majors. Like it or not. 10.0, whether you liked it, hated it, used it, scrapped it, it doesn't matter. It was a major OS X release. It was a complete and new departure from anything we'd ever seen and opened our eyes to the future of OS X and UNIX on our Macs.

I realize we're going to disagree here in this thread, but I don't know how someone can call the first release of OS X NOT major. There wasn't an OS to compare it to, short of OS 9, and speed isn't the only thing that makes an OS revolutionary. Major major major. Period.
 
I would think that 10.3 would include Classic. I say this because a lot of installers still depend upon Classic... including one of the best selling Mac games (and one included with the .Mac renewal) "The Sims". It would seem foolish of Apple to entice people to renew their .Mac accounts with a game that they would soon be unable to install.

Of course, if you are talking about actually booting into OS 9, then I believe those days are long gone.

I hope Classic still works at least...
 
Classic still works, and for machines that can boot into OS 9, things are fine. They just don't give you an OS 9 install cd, which is the same thing that happened last year with 10.2.
If you do an archive and install, or make a backup of your OS 9 install somewhere else, then re-install it after installing 10.3 everything will be fine.
I myself keep what little stuff I have left for OS 9 on a separate partition, and plan to do a fresh install of 10.3 the minute it arrives at my house......time to check the count down clock again :)
 
"If you do an archive and install, or make a backup of your OS 9 install somewhere else, then re-install it after installing 10.3 everything will be fine. "

that's OK, if you have a system that will boot into 9, but you can't do a normal install of OS 9 if you can't boot from the installer CD!
OS 9 is pretty simple, if you have a working OS 9 system folder somewhere, you can just do a drag copy of that System Folder to your drive, go to Classic Pref pane, choose the System Folder for Classic, and click Start, and OS X will copy the update files that Classic needs. (hopefully)
 
So, if i get panther, can I take my 10.2 powerbook disk and install classic like that? or should i use my mac os 9 cd? yeh... i cant boot into it... but... wait thats a problem...
 
Mail.app and iCal are supposed to have Exchange support, but I have no clue how well it works.

You might get lucky and that will be enough to ditch those PCs at your work:D
 
Originally posted by Captain Code
Mail.app and iCal are supposed to have Exchange support, but I have no clue how well it works.

You might get lucky and that will be enough to ditch those PCs at your work:D
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iCal 1.5.1 has no Exchange support, unless I'm totally missing something. That would be really cool, though. I love the iCal interface!

Mail.app *in theory* has Exchange support, but it's very painful, at best. Not a real solution.

Address book also supports Exchange *in theory*, of course it requires my Mail admins to turn on LDAP, which they won't do "for security reasons", and again Address book's Exchange support is painful, at best.

The boss isn't going to be happy if I tell him we have to shell out yet ANOTHER $150 or so just to be able to get to our mail/calendars/notes/etc.

<bitch session>And since Virtual PC won't run on the G5s that I've been pushing, Windows printer support is broken in Panther GM, Citrix support is half-hearted (no seamless windows? Even the LINUX client has seamless windows...), no browser is compatible with some of our websites (again, more our fault than Apple and its app vendors, but still stinks that they have no solution, considering what a widespread problem this is), CIFS client is still shaky, no native GTK for OS X, etc...It's going to be very painful migrating...</bitch session>
 
Maybe the migration to Panther will make developer's update the way their applications install themselves.

Soon people will know that Mac OS X 10.3 will have given birth to the 21st century.
 
I haven't used OS 9.x for about hmmmm, 7 months now. There's really no need for it to be there at all now. Move along people, nothing to see here.
 
Money makes the world go round. And even though it sucks, Apple is a part of that world.

Oh yea: I havn't touched OS 9 in at least a year. :D
 
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