finder, Lion, etc

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Hey Guys,

My basic question is: where is the best place to provide Apple with feedback?

Lion and I don't love each other. I don't like many of the new features. My latest "OMG!!!" is with the finder window, when I am in list mode, I can't sort simply by clicking the columns. And if I do ask to be sorted by date, it splits it into several sections. I don't see a preferences to change it back to how it should be.
 
Ah... I found that one question. Pick the gear looking thing and set "Arrange By" to None. Then you get back to how it should work.

I'm still interested in a good way to provide feedback.
 
I don't know if you can call this a 'good way' to provide feedback - I've not personally ever tried - but it's the method that Apple has made available directly through their web site:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Just curious - are any of your challenges with Lion really 'show-stoppers' that prevent you from doing what you need to do - or just the variety of changes that make you think a little more about what happens? Things like the resume feature, and versioning, etc?
 
I have not considered "going back" or "going away" -- so they are no show stoppers. But I do feel the OS is working "against" me rather than "for" me.

I don't like having to tell the it every time I shutdown "No" to the box about resume processes. I don't like opening a new PDF and having the PDFs I was viewing two weeks ago also pop open "helping" me out.

I also view the artistic level as down considerably. The buttons, the grey cloth boot up screen, etc are just not Apple quality from an artistic perspective.
 
Thank you for the web address. Here is my feedback posted to Apple:

The various features implemented in Lion tend to work against me. There are changes to the UI that frustrate me. And the general appearance is a lower artistic level.

1) I don't want (ever) my application to resume when I log in or reboot. I can't seem to turn that off globally once and for all. Rather I have to click the checkbox each time I log out of shutdown. I don't want applications like Preview to spontaneously open a document that was previously open. That could be extremely embarrassing but aside from that it just a complete waste of CPU horsepower. Almost all of these new features for Lion I find a burden and working against me rather than for me. You have overstepped the boundaries of what the OS controls and what the individual user controls.

2) The UI has changed needlessly and for the worse. Example is a typical happy finder window. Now I have to go and set a particular option "Arrange By: None" in order to get what I want and had before where I can click the columns while in list mode to sort by that particular column. I don't see any functionality that has been gained from Snow Leopard but the usability has decreased. Items like this hit me fairly frequently. I haven't made a list of them.

3) The grey cloth background I don't find up to Apple standards at all. That perhaps is debatable. But what I feel is not debatable are things like the buttons that have become more rectangular and less button like. The whole presentation is a step down. Usually with the new OS level from Apple, there is a new look but the look is progressive and extremely artistic. Lion's look is regressive and corporate. This perhaps is the single most frightening thing to me. Did all the wonderful artistic people get laid off when Steve stepped down? Have the corporate vision-less drones already started to strangle the life out of Apple? The look of Lion definitely leads me to believe so.
 
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You and I have different points of view on much of this...
1) I almost never shutdown, and a restart is often to clear some issue that I might be having. Bringing back the same set of windows, as well as apps open at the same point is a big timesaver for me.
So, then there's the new Mac concept in Lion: close your open docs before quitting apps. That will take care of old docs suddenly appearing when you no longer need them. Option-Command-W closes all open windows at the same time in your app.

2) The Arrange By: None is already the default for the Finder (unless you change it at some point) - but I do agree with you about the usefulness (or lack of usefulness) of the simpler listing windows using one of the other choices for Arrange By... Those are also not one that I would choose, other than by accident...

3) I don't see the dull grey cloth background, except on the login window, and that maybe once or twice a month. I have my system set to automatically log in, so that login screen is bypassed through a restart.
And, the relative artistic value of the UI? I don't really consider that too much - as I want the OS X system to do what I choose, relatively unobtrusively, and allow me to be artistic, if I choose to be artistic, with the apps that I use. If the system stays out of my way, so I don't often need to think about how I am using the system, then all the better. And THAT, my friend, is where Lion falls down somewhat. Lots of "interesting" animations/swooshes/melts, etc, are fun the first few times, but now are somewhat annoying. Some of those can be turned off through one of the third-party mod utilities.

None of this comes close to anything major for me, and I find that some of my initial issues disappeared after using Lion for a few days - because I no longer noticed. Maybe that's a good thing!
One area is the scroll bars. I missed them at first, but then realized (going back to an older Mac) that scroll bars take up a lot of valuable window space. The disappearing scroll bars are great!

(although you didn't ask for it) just a comment about the bug report (if that's the exact text that you sent): I expect that Apple would appreciate an actual list of the 'items in the UI that you don't like that hit you fairly frequently', more than just your "I haven't made a list of them," where Apple has to guess what you don't like. Make your points as detailed as you can.

Finally, IMHO, after a couple of major updates to Lion, the likelihood of perhaps major mods to the UI would be pretty slim.
 
1) Space then Enter can be done very quickly, and disables the "reopen open applications upon login" checkbox, then logs you out. Rather than mouse to it, use the keyboard to hit space then enter, accomplishing the same thing.

If that doesn't suffice, here's a way to disable that option completely:

http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/25/disa...-logging-back-in-in-mac-os-x-lion-completely/

Note that this "fix" renders that checkbox useless, so whether it's checked or not has no bearing on the action -- which will be "NEVER reopen applications upon login."

There is also a simple Terminal command to return Lion to its default actions concerning this if you ever need to.

3) I like the gray cloth and the new login window myself, as well as the toned-down buttons. I was never a huge fan of the jelly-like aqua "lozenge" buttons anyway. Very elegant and slick. To each, his own.
 
Hey EDCC!
How do you get the space bar to un-check the "reopen..." box? I've tried a number of different tricks (hit space; click inside the dialog window first, then hit space; hit tab on the chance that the checkbox will be accessed that way, then hit space again; try a different keyboard) but the 'space' doesn't unselect that box. Your tip doesn't appear to work...

Whoops, I'm wrong....
Just tried rebooting to Lion on external drive, and that works. It's some change I've made to my normal Lion system. I know it's not disabled, because my open apps and windows always get restored when I restart. Ah, well, I'll figure it out some other time, I suppose. Sorry you had to waste your time reading my goofy post...
 
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