G5 better than AMD / Intel?..

octane

octane

I have issues, OK!
This guy thinks so:

"The 970FX (the G5 chip that powers Apple's Xserve and is though likely to drive a future Power Mac G5 upgrade from the company) should yield well at 2.5GHz, up from the 2GHz speeds of the 970 used in the original Power Mac G5. This 25 per cent increase in clock rate will not soon be matched by Intel or AMD," writes Microprocessor Report editor-in-chief Peter Glaskowsky.
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It's certainly a thrilling prospect.

I'm still a good year from an upgrade to my workstation.

I'm merrily typing away on my Quicksilver G4, which has served me very well.

When I do get around to the update, I'm going to go the whole hog this time -- the fastest dual processor model, maximum ram, dual screens running out of the fastest graphics cards and OS X Server 10 client edition.

Nice! :D

Better start saving up now, then!.. :confused: :rolleyes:
 
I'm actually a little miffed right now.

I'm quite skint / broke, and what a time for it! The pound is killing the dollar.

So £1,500.00 would snag me $2,900.00 or thereabouts.

I'm sickened... ::evil::
 
Hmm... Nothing new to be found about those processors, I guess... Everyone's still waiting, and according to AppleInsider, it'll take April to bring new hardware... :/
 
Apple is always making people wait. And they usually under-deliver.

Let's not hope this is the case.
 
The day a DP rolls out in 3ghz range is the day I drop a butt-load of money on a new design system. Hopefully that's no later than early summer.
 
Zammy-Sam said:
I doubt about the 3Ghz G5 within this summer..
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Steve specifically said that they could do 3GHz a year from when the dual 2GHz was announced so I would think that he would only say that if it was really a possibility.

It is strange that they haven't realeased anything new since the dual 2 gig one.
 
not strange at all. sell through the stock, and then the next speed bump. with IBM sampling 3ghz processors already that are using less power/produce less heat, a 2ghz to 3ghz jump on the high end would show that Apple means business.

Something they truly need to do - not the jump, they need to seem like they mean business.
 
Captain Code said:
It is strange that they haven't realeased anything new since the dual 2 gig one.
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Maybe the days of bumping processors up by 100 - 200MHz at a time every 4 months is over... let's hope!
 
gerbick said:
Apple is always making people wait. And they usually under-deliver.

Let's not hope this is the case.
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What?! Apple under-delivers? I think maybe that's because the rumor mills get WAY out of hand and start predicting ridiculous things like time travel and perpetual motion machines. People get hyped up and the rumor mills add to that hype, then when Apple doesn't debut a dual-12GHz machine at $499, people are disappointed, but only by their own imaginations.

I think Apple is delivering quite well. The iPod is undoubtedly success, the last few batches of G4 machines were great machines, the G5 is the king, the iPod mini is wonderful, and GarageBand is the single most useful application released in a long time -- well worth the $50 alone that the entire iLife suite costs.

And what's this about waiting? What are we waiting for? 3GHz G5 machines? They're not due out yet, and when they do come out, it'll be great! So what if we have to wait two extra months to get a 3GHz G5 from when Steve "promised" they'd be available? Is there something we need to do in that time frame that requires a 3GHz G5 that we won't be able to do on a 2GHz G5?

I don't see how Apple is under-delivering or making us wait an unacceptable amount of time... can you elaborate?
 
ElDiabloConCaca's right.

What's the rush?

There's always someone holding out for the next big thing.

What I tend to do -- and I know this is some part a retraction of what I said earlier -- is wait for the new models to come out and grab an EOL model with all of the bells and whistles which often equals or betters one of the newer mid-range models.

Can't go wrong...
 
I agree... damn, those G4s they still sell at the online Apple Store are SUCH a sweet deal. Every single one of them is under $2000, come equipped very nicely, and still support both OS 9 and OS X.

No, they ain't got no G5 in there and it's not top-of-the-line anymore, but let's put this in perspective: I'm working on an old G4 500MHz PCI-graphics machine. Specs are in the sig. I spent $2200 (with Apple monitor) on this computer to get it new the day they released the G4 machines. It's not new, it's underpowered by most peoples' standards, and I can't even upgrade the video card anymore. Yet, it still runs Panther great and even lets me PhotoShop and Final Cut Pro around with the best of them, albeit a second or two slower. My point is that the top-of-the-line computers that Apple is producing now are NOT diappointing machines -- they are VERY powerful, feature loads of expansion possibilities and run great (not perfect, but still GREAT -- better than any other system will run, IMO). Well worth the money.

All of Apple's hardware is great right now. Sure, there's a kink or an annoyance (like the G5 "humming/beeping/clicking") but nothing that will keep you from being your most productive all the time.
 
I was wondering if apple fixed the memory speed yet. Intel and AMD or other chipset companies are not just concerned about the processor, but also the mainboard architecture, such as memory connection. How fast is the memory (ram) here? Is there any use of dual-channel DDR 400? I recall G4s to not take any advantage of the faster memory...
(might be slightly off the topic)
 
ElDiabloConCaca said:
What?! Apple under-delivers?

I don't see how Apple is under-delivering or making us wait an unacceptable amount of time... can you elaborate?
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calm down there Bud Bundy.

Simply put, hell yeah Apple under-delivers. 64-bit processors... no 64-bit OS - sorry, extensions only matter with the women.

G4 got long in tooth... G5 was overdue. But the Apple fanatic will quickly say "blame Motorola"... so be it.

mini-skittle iPod... no thanks. My 40gb iPod serves me well. But it'll no doubt be stylish.

Jobs... king of hype. But he's so damn adorable in those black mocknecks.

Apple's share isn't growing, despite how safe their OS is, nor how advanced their CPU may be, nor how well-designed it the machine is. Nor how much out of debt they are. They're not gaining ground, they're just "staying put".

Why? Because they don't have a mid-level machine that could combat with the headless Dell/Gateways, the rumour mills around Apple is incredible - but I recommend that it be ignored - and above all, they can't switch a damn soul. And the people that use them - myself inclusive - are a bunch of niche market dwellers that basically have too much time on their hands and speculate what's next for a company that's only 2% of the market.

And for all of the above, which I consider over-selling, under-delivering, is that things will not be better next year. It'll be the same. It was the same last year here before I stopped posting, it'll be the same here next year.

Their top of the line models were notoriously late, the fans were overwhelmingly supportive and forgiving, super critical on other computer company failures - pointing fingers is a very easy sport - and they still haven't delivered as "promised"... the fastest machine ever in the one program I use the most; Photoshop.

But all in all... they've delivered me plenty I do like, I continue to use their products, but I maintain my ever-grumpy role of stating that I want a headless mac that will compete with the mid-level machines at Best Buy.

and I'm not too keen to hearing a bunch of hooey about "it'll mean Apple will sacrifice quality"... unless you work for Apple, shuddap.
 
gerbick said:
calm down there Bud Bundy.
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I'll make you a deal, k? I'll calm down, and you let a little sunshine through, ok? You sound so pessimistic.

Apple's not doing nearly as bad a job as you make them out to be doing. Apple hit a 52-week high stock price today. Some people think them a wise investment.

We've got 64-bits on our desktops, now we just need a 64-bit OS, as you say. But don't fret, no one else has it yet, either, so I think there's hope that we'll still be first with that. Would you rather have Apple waited on releasing the G5 until their OS was ready?

Steve Jobs goes off the deep end periodically. He loves to rile up people. He usually delivers something pretty damn good. But if you are one of the unfortunate souls that believe the rumor mills, then it's easy to get overly excited and be disapponted.

We all want stuff from Apple, but getting yourself truly disapponted when they don't deliver sounds off to me. It's a computer... sometimes Apple shines, sometimes they mess up. Life goes on. They're still around and I'll use their stuff, too. Apple falls victim to the same bad mistakes and errors that every other computer manufacturer makes and still manage to produce a damn good product that turns everyone's head.
 
lol. dude, don't take it so serious. there is no tone/inflection via typed words.

pessimistic? no, actually I'm opportunistic, and sadly it seems as if I my favorite computer company isn't. guess I wanted more in common with Apple.

Yeah, I know about the stock - I actually own some.

I have a shiny DVD from MS (MSDN actually) with WinXP 64-bit on it. But I'll be crazy if I ever install it on my Windows machine - it'll stay Win2k3 Server for now. I think M$ should have waited before they released anything 64-bit. Not Apple.

But above it all... I'm not truly disapponted (sic) more so than I'm hopeful that Apple will take more than a debt-free upturn. those are my true hopes.

And if I sound bitter... just remember. It's all just words on a site. Unplug the server, and they'll go away. Nothing is permanent. Not even where you considered me pessimistic. Because I'm not.

:hug:

now, bring the PC world HELL in the way only a true blitzkrieg could, Apple. Krieg ist hölle!
 
G4s were limited by a 167Mz bus. the G5s have a dedicated bus to each CPU at 1/2 cpu speed. So the dual 2 gig has TWO 1 ghz buses. the 1.8 and 2.0 ghz models use DDR 333 i beleive. the 1.6 uses 266 think.
 
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