Is there a way to install only iphoto in leapard?

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Hi, I got my sister a g5 for Christmas (off of ebay, it is one that can only go as high as leopard) to replace the g4 she has been using. It came loaded with leopard but I didn't realize that leopard didn't have iphoto in it. Is there any way I can load iphoto from my panther installation discs without doing an install of panther and then re-installing leopard? Even if I could afford iLife the system (10.5.8) won't handle it.

Thanks
Mark
 
Mark_S said:
Hi, I got my sister a g5 for Christmas (off of ebay, it is one that can only go as high as leopard) to replace the g4 she has been using. It came loaded with leopard but I didn't realize that leopard didn't have iphoto in it. Is there any way I can load iphoto from my panther installation discs without doing an install of panther and then re-installing leopard? Even if I could afford iLife the system (10.5.8) won't handle it.

Thanks
Mark
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there sure is..
download and run this trial version of Pacifist
Once running isert your Panther CD and point it to Pacifist.
Scroll through the list of files Pacifist shows from the CD and pick iPhoto, click on install and you're good to go.

BTW, this is not illegal or unethical, seeing as how the OP has the licenses required and could get iPhoto through the longer and slower install-upgrade route.
 
Thanks I'll try that. But why would it be un-ethical and illegal anyway? I bought the computer, mac os Panther and Leopard. It's not pirated.

Mark_S
 
It may or may not be illegal, depending on your use.

When you purchase iPhoto (part of the iLife suite) or any other piece of software, you're bound to use the software in accordance with the software's EULA ("End-user license agreement"). Typically, this means that you can install and use the software on ONE computer. If you were, say, to purchase a single license of Adobe Photoshop, then install it on both your computer AND your sister's computer, you would be in violation of Photoshop's EULA, and, hence, committing software piracy (which is illegal).

As long as the copy of iPhoto you intend to install on your sister's computer is not installed and in use on another computer, you're fine.

EULAs differ from software to software. Microsoft allows you to install Office on TWO computers, but only use it on ONE computer at a time. Photoshop is a single computer, single use license, so installing it on TWO computers (even if you don't use Photoshop on both computers simultaneously) is illegal.

You don't have to download software you don't own to be a software pirate -- simply using the software in violation of the EULA makes you a pirate as well, which means you can purchase a piece of software and use it "wrong" and become a software pirate.

All sorts of onerous terms can be put into a EULA -- Microsoft at one time had a EULA for Office for Windows that stated that Microsoft could, at any time, for any reason, revoke your license and you must cease using the software immediately -- even if you still were in possession of the CD and even if the software continued to function on your computer... if they revoked your license and you continued to use the software, you were committing an illegal act and were a software pirate.

I'm not passing judgment on anyone, stating any kind of moral stance one way or another, or somehow giving legal advice (IANAL -- I am not a lawyer)... I'm simply stating fact and clarifying.

When you "purchase" a piece of software, you're actually purchasing a license to use the software. The software itself remains the property of the company that produced it, and you do NOT own the software itself -- you merely own the permission to use the software. Adobe could, if they so felt like it, demand that you destroy your CD.
 
Well that is interesting and I must admit I didn't think of it. Because I planned to use the Panther that I had on my g5-and that I'm no longer using since I went up to Leopard (as high as I can go with my system) I figured that there was no more of a problem than when I installed Tiger on the old g4 I gave her since I wasn't using anymore. On license, one computer.
In this case the g5 came with leopard installed but no iphoto, or imovie or anything else that didn't come with leopard. As stated I can't run the new iPhoto on the system (and it'd be nice if Apple realized that not everyone can go out and get a new system, they could have left iphoto in and offered this new deluxe version as an extra, I'm sort of stuck with no way to get the old iPhoto except to use the pacifist program), iLife needs more than it has at the moment. I didn't consider there would any ethical problem at all, even if I fully installed panther first and then installed leopard over it (which I'm still thinking of doing since I'm not sure what got left out of leopard that was in panther that she might want/need) since the software itself is out of date. I can understand the ethical problem if I were putting one copy of panther on two computers but is it really that a big a deal with out of date software? I have a copy of microsoft office 2004 (again, ebay) that I plan on putting on the new system as well since I can't afford the latest, I can't imagine that microsoft is going to object to that.
Haven't done anything at the moment, I've got a few weeks to get this up and running and I'm going carefully (just got the adc to dvi adaptor today), but since it came with leopard I don't see anything wrong with installing my old copy of panther and then installing the copy I have of leopard.

Mark_S
 
Mark_S said:
...but is it really that a big a deal with out of date software?
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That's a question for Apple, not us. A lot of people petition for "abandonware," which is software that is no longer in development or otherwise out-of-date, to become "public domain" and free for unrestricted use. As to whether the big software companies bite on this remains to be seen. Apple gives away very old copies of Mac OS (up to system 7.5, I believe), but everything else is still commercial and restricted, even though you can't purchase them new anymore. It's still illegal to obtain OS 9 in an illegal fashion (downloading it, copying a friend's disc, etc.) even though it's been dead for 10 years or so.

All new Mac computers come with iLife -- which is why it's on your Restore CD/DVD, but not on your sister's computer. Restore CDs/DVDs that ship with new Macs come with two pieces of software: Mac OS X and iLife. Retail CDs/DVDs come with only Mac OS X, and you must purchase iLife separately. Think of this as getting a free copy of iLife when you purchase the computer, but if you upgrade, say, from Leopard to Snow Leopard, you must purchase the new iLife suite as well (unless you continue to use the old version that came with the computer).
 
I can understand that but in this case there seems to be no other option. I checked with the apple store near me, they don't sell Panther anymore and aperture won't run on this system either. Either I use pacifist and load in iphoto from the panther disk I have or I go on ebay, get a copy of panther (I checked, they have them) wait until the 15th(earliest delivery date) and then do an erase and install of panther and then an install of leopard. Seems like an awful lot of work. Especially since I've already made the mistake of installing my copy of leopard (I was dead tired and not thinking straight, didn't realize that leopard didn't have iphoto... never do this stuff when you're dead tired) on the new computer.
Maybe I'll just find something iphoto equivalent. I do have adobe photoshop elements 6 and I think I can put that on more than one computer with a clear conscience.

Mark_S
 
Try using Kodak's Easy Share software.Free download from their site and it works well on a G4 with Tiger or better.
 
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