iTunes user to sue Apple

Has the world really gone IPR and copyright mad or what? Suing each other, court cases, left, right and centre. I blame the Americans myself. (They killed Napster and SuprNova :( )

Suing Apple because he can't play his music from the iTMS on anything but a iPod, please...! How patethic can you get? Has this person got anything better to do? Maybe he should over read the Terms and Conditions and maybe the system requirements of the iPod before downloading or buying an iPod?

Prat.

Maybe I should sue RealNetworks because I have to use RealPlayer to play a RealMedia file? Or Microsoft, because I have to buy and use MS Windows to use MS Access...

(My $0.02 and I expect change)
 
MDLarson said:
There is nothing simple and easy about downloading iTunes AAC files, burning them, ripping them back as MP3 format, and doing what you will with them. That method is wasteful and annoying for something that could very easily have been better. For anyone to suggest that as a viable solution for the iTunes masses is ridiculous.
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Perhaps, but as I understand it, iTunes is the only Music service that allows easy burning of the songs you purchase to a standard CD. On a current model iMac, burning a CD full of music takes under three minutes. Once you've done this, you've got it ... legitimately and legally ... to do with as you please. Load it into your CD stacker, onto your Windows XP Super-Duper edition PC, into your clock radio-CD player, whatever. With subscription services, you don't get this functionality.

Also, you don't have to do this for the majority of Mp3 players that are recognised by iTunes (including many of the third party ones, such as Creative). In fact, if your Mp3 player is supported by iTunes, then you need only drag the file to its icon in the sources list and the song is automatically converted to an Mp3 (Can someone who has an iTunes compatible non-Apple player confirm this one way or the other? I've only done it with unprotected AAC files to a Creative NomadII).

And finally, this expectation is no more ridiculous than some of the other systems on offer at the moment. Sony's Playstation Portable will support music downloaded from Sony's service in the ATRAC format, provided you purchase specialised media to store it on as well (the PSP mini-optical discs). It also takes over an hour to transfer 1000 songs. Sony's PSX (a Japanese system that is basically a PS2 and media centre combined) allows you to store music, but strictly for playback only on that system. And Real and Yahoo are both planning on offerring a service that lets people "rent" a song by the month.
So what's so crazy about suggesting that users should get into the habit of burning Audio CDs of any music they legitimately own? Its common sense.
 
I think it's also worth distinguishing between something that's irritating, and something that warrants a lawsuit. You may not like the hassle of burning songs to a CD as an intermediate step to putting it onto a non-Apple player, but it hardly amounts to grounds for an antitrust suit. Yes; Apple makes it most convenient to stick with Apple products - that's just good design, and it's practiced in every industry. We won't FORCE you to buy our product, but we'll make it worth your while if you do...
 
Btw.: No-one's even mentioning it, but primarily, you buy songs to _iTunes_ not to iPod. You buy them in iTunes and are allowed to do several things to those songs, ONE thing being to put them on iPods directly. This case will solve itself soon. Maybe someone should pat him on the shoulder and tell him that he didn't pay much attention. Maybe he'd go: "Oh, you're right. I see." And let the case rest. :p
 
You think he could find something to sue Microsoft for instead! Sounds like one of these guys who just goes around suing anybody and everybody - Apple should file some type of nuisance and/or counter suit and teach him a major lesson.
 
symphonix said:
Also, you don't have to do this for the majority of Mp3 players that are recognised by iTunes (including many of the third party ones, such as Creative). In fact, if your Mp3 player is supported by iTunes, then you need only drag the file to its icon in the sources list and the song is automatically converted to an Mp3 (Can someone who has an iTunes compatible non-Apple player confirm this one way or the other? I've only done it with unprotected AAC files to a Creative NomadII).
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No, I don't believe this bit is true for protected files.
 
This is why are courts are so clogged. In the US, anyone can sue anyone else. It's up to a Judge to throw out frivolous suits like this.
We have people in prisons suing because they don't like the underwear they are issued.
 
bobw said:
We have people in prisons suing because they don't like the underwear they are issued.
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I heard that iPod Socks are available on the market. This could be a good starting point... :D
 
bbloke said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4151009.stm




Is it just me or do people like this need to grow up a bit? :rolleyes:
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That's a lie. You can burn CD's. AND with a simple audio editing app that lets you digitize your CD's, you can take the music off the CD and put it on anything you want. pretty simple actualy. Not necessarily legal, but it works flawlessly. I personally have an ipod but I needed to do this to extract a track to play with as a dance remix.
 
bookem said:
Does this mean I can sue EMI, HMV, Virgin etc because the vinyl I bought won't play on my CD player?
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You may have something there! Let's go for a class action suit. Also, I have these old Kodak prints and even though I hold them up in front of my computer, iPhoto won't do anything with them!
 
karavite said:
You may have something there! Let's go for a class action suit. Also, I have these old Kodak prints and even though I hold them up in front of my computer, iPhoto won't do anything with them!
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You have to stick them in the cupholder and put a flower in its love handle first. ::love::
 
Forget the legal issues, I find it interesting that Mac users would be so down on the proprietary antics of Microsoft, and then turn right around and think it's just fine that Apple does the same thing. I REFUSE to purchase any song from the Apple Store because they do NOT sell mp3s, they sell a format that will play ONLY on their own hardware, or at least only with their own software (iTunes). Too bad so many people think that consumer-unfriendly tactic is just fine, and buy the songs. I try to be a good consumer, and I refuse. If I can't play the song on ordinary equipment with ordinary mp3 software, I won't buy, won't encourage them. So legalities have nothing to do with my view, my sympathies are with those who can't stand this kind of consumerism whether it is Gates or Jobs.
 
I understand your reasoning -- Apple does limit the devices you can play their files on, and that can be frustrating.

However... nobody sells mp3s. All songs sold by any company have some sort of rights-management attached to the songs, and they're usually WMA files. Microsoft is the digital monopoly, so it's natural that most digital audio players play their format. Apple, by limiting the compatible devices to their own devices, retains complete control over the musical experience, as well as the quality of the experience. Less compatible, but a better overall system than Real's or Microsoft's or Sam's or WalMart's music stores, in my opinion.

As long as music is considered "owned" by the artist/label, I don't think we'll see online stores offering unprotected files.
 
I personally don't have a problem with digital rights. iTunes offers a service that you can opt not to use. You can always buy the CD new or used and burn it yourself.

There are multiple sites that offer MP3's legally though. eMusic being my choice, but they do not have a lot of mainstream stuff. I guess it depends on what you listen to.
 
In addition, the MPEG4 (aka AAC) codec is not - to my knowledge - proprietary. Anyone else who wanted could make an MP4 player.

Dunno about 'protected AAC' files, but as El Diablo noted, everyone's protecting their online songs these days.
 
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