yeah i got aim, im off to bed soon though, i can get you tomorrow maybe, but yeah i have everything backed up, i just thought there would be that easy way using the assistant to get the apps over, but it doesn't look like it is possible with that 10.32 disk, if only i had the 10.34 disk, arg!! I even tried taking the setup assistant off a different g5 machine and put it on the g4, but it didn't work unfortunately. So i think im just left with reinstalling everything, which is fine, im already prepared for that task on monday. It will be a long day lol, i expect it to take me all day too. Thanks for the posts and i will make sure to clone this guy once i get everything going on it lol