Mac OSX 10.2.4 and Windows Millenium

#1
Can someone please, please help me. I have a new G4 double processor Mac running Jaguar 10.20.4 and a PC with Windows Millenium installed. They are connected via a Belkin router. Although my Mac connects wonderfully to my PC and I have no trouble downloading files to my Mac from my PC , no matter what I have tried I just can't get my PC to connect to the Mac. I have my Mac icon in the PC's My Network places. When I double click it I have a password box come up. The trouble is everytime I enter my password (I'm using my Mac's login- is this right??) the PC says my password is incorrect. Nobody seems to be able to help.
Has anyone got any ideas. I would really appreciate it as I've been bothered with this problem for over two months.:confused:
 

Eid

Registered
#2
Hi there,

1st the obvious
Have you turned on Windows File Sharing? (System Preferences / Sharing / Services)

2nd
Do you know your IPs?
If the name of the Mac doesn't work you may try connecting to the IP.

3rd.
I usually use (from the PC) Start / Run / "//machineName"

Good luck Ben
 

cellfish

Depressed as hell
#3
Actually, I had this problem too before I sold my PC. It was because I had changed the Mac OS X password at one point. Try logging on with the OLD password if ever you changed it... it will most likely log you in.

Andre
 
#4
Thanks very much for answering Ben.
1. File sharing is defintely on
2. When I checked the connection as you suggested (I know my Mac's IP address, it was allocated by my router), my PC said it couldn't find the Mac.
I must say I can connect to the Mac with FTP although this too is temperamental.
PS I live in Germany, I'm English and I'm using a German operating system(Microsoft idea).
 

Ripcord

Senior Lurker
#5
Make sure you're using the "backslash" key and not the "forward slash" when trying to connect to your Mac by its IP address, which is the proper syntax. Otherwise, the connection won't work.

However, if you're getting to the password dialog on the PC when you try it your original way, you certainly are connecting to some machine that is running Windows File Sharing, so assuming you don't have other computers on your network, you're probably hitting the Mac.

I unfortunately haven't had a lot of experience with OS X's native CIFS implementation, but have you tried creating another account (which MUST have a password, leaving the password blank doesn't work, I don't believe), giving it the proper permissions, and trying that?
 
#6
I AM using the backslash. As I said I can find my Mac's icon in my Network on my PC but when I open it I get a box asking for my password. I type in my administrator password to access my files on my Mac and nothing. Keeps on telling me that the password is wrong!
I'm totally lost.
 
#7
The login you used to login to the Windows box has to match the short name of the user on the mac. Now if you have never logged into the Windows ME box you are probably logged in under some goofy name like "Valued Customer" so log out and then log in with your short name and mac password.

-Eric
 
#8
Eric, I've tried this too...... doesn't work.
I've tried altering my PC password so it's the same as my Mac but this too fails.
Anymore ideas??

Steve
 
#10
Hi Eric,
here are the results of the Luxembourg jury........

Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:19, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/02 15:19:34, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/02 17:14:23, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:29, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[1970/01/01 01:03:19, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/03 07:38:34, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/03 07:39:24, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 07:45:08, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/03 10:01:55, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:19, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:27:03, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:28, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:31:14, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/04 03:18:10, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...



What about that!!

To me it's all double dutch.

Steve
 
#11
OK that was the nmbd one. It looks like something terminated samba check to see if file sharing is still checked in system preferences. If you turn it off and then back on it should restart things if something is messed up.

Having Got SIGTERM: going down... as the last thing in that lo file is not good.

Also is your clock set correctly since that log file says that samba hasen't been running since the 4th.

Try the toggle thing first and then lets check the logs again with the same incantation again.

-Eric
 
#12
Here it is again,

*****
[2003/03/03 07:38:34, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/03 07:39:24, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 07:45:08, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/03 10:01:55, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:19, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:27:03, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:28, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:31:14, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/04 03:18:10, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 03:53:38, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/14 03:57:07, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/14 04:02:54, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 04:02:56, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/14 04:03:31, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 04:05:20, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002

I'm not sure what you mean about the toggle thing.
I did switch my windows sharing on and off and I don't really understand what's wrong with my clock.
I set it for Germany(where I live) and hit the sync to net time button.
Was this correct?

Steve
 
#13
Originally posted by wibwab

I'm not sure what you mean about the toggle thing.
I did switch my windows sharing on and off and I don't really understand what's wrong with my clock.
I set it for Germany(where I live) and hit the sync to net time button.
Was this correct?
You did the right thing and I don't think that anything is wrong with your clock.

This file we are looking at is the log for the netbois server which is one of the two parts of Samba. Whenever something significant happens it will write a little blurb to the end of this file with the time and a message. The timestamp is the [2003/03/14 04:05:20, 0] part and from your log I can tell that today at 4:04 CET you had this program running on your machine. However, I can also see that from your previous post as well as this one it hasn't been running for the past week and a half.

That is why I asked about your clock, if you had told me that your clock had been messed up and and it was running a week and a half slow then I could not have known that nmbd was down all that time.

/Picks up pipe and deerhunter cap

The game is afoot now (ha ha) try to see if you can connect from windows now. And then after you succeed or fail run that command again to see what state NETBIOS was in. If it ends with a "terminated" line you know that it was dead and we need to figure out what is killing it. If it ends with the copyright notice or the "local master" message then we know that it is running but not correctly or that the problem is with its sister program smbd.

I know this is tiring to trouble shoot this way and the 7 hours of time difference dosen't help but we are making progress of a diagnostic sort. I'll check again in the morning.

Good Luck,

-Eric
 
#14
Once again I tried the command..

Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 07:45:08, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/03 10:01:55, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:19, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:27:03, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[1970/01/01 01:00:28, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/03 17:31:14, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/04 03:18:10, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 03:53:38, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/14 03:57:07, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

*****
[2003/03/14 04:02:54, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 04:02:56, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/14 04:03:31, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(63)
Got SIGTERM: going down...
[2003/03/14 04:05:20, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd.c:main(783)
Netbios nameserver version 2.2.3a started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1994-2002
[2003/03/14 04:11:07, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

What does this last line mean Eric?

Steve
 
#15
Ok so i didn't read the whole post because it got into some technical things. But here's what i do and it works. (or did last month)

I set up the Window ME machine as a user on my machine. I took the WinME log in and password and added it to the users of my OS X machine as an administrator.

Then i went over the the WinME machine and put in that address that the File Sharing window told me to and it worked. No usernames or password boxes popped up.

Does that help?
 
#16
Twister
what exactly do you mean by this??

"I set up the Window ME machine as a user on my machine. I took the WinME log in and password and added it to the users of my OS X machine as an administrator.

Then i went over the the WinME machine and put in that address that the File Sharing window told me to"

I can‘t understand what you are saying.
Could you be a little more specific?

Steve
 
#17
I can try.

On the MacOSX machine go into System Preferences : Accounts and click on New User. Then Name & Short Name = the name you log into the Windows machine with. Password = what you log into the Windows machine with. Then I think I clicked on both checkboxes at the bottom of that screen. Allow user to administrator this computer & Allow user to log in from Windows. Then they were set up on my OS X machine.

Then it went to the WindowsMe machine and logged in, then clicked on the network neighborhood ( that's right isn't it? ) and then i don't remember. I somehow added the OS X machine. If i was in front of the ME machine i'd remember. I do know that on the OS X machine i went into Sharing and turned on Windows File Sharing. When that's on it gives you the address info that Windows can log in with. I wrote that on a stickey note, went over to the Windows Machine and put it in that network neighborhood area. Somehow.

Does that help any?
 
#19
Originally posted by wibwab
[2003/03/14 04:11:07, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-21/source/nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(404)
*****

Samba name server MAC-G4 is now a local master browser for workgroup WORKGROUP on subnet 192.168.2.18

What does this last line mean Eric?
In a given work group one machine is elected to be the local master and provide some of the workgroup level services. This is done by electronically drawing straws to see who wins. That message means that your Mac won the draw and then your windows box will then be the slave. As a user you don't ever need to know which machine is the master and it can change over time.

Personally I always like my Mac or one of my Linux boxes to be the master because I get to see that a responsible machine has taken control ;)

Back to your original problem this is good because we know at this point that NetBios Name service is correctly running. Now open a terminal window and type this

tail -f -n 15 /var/log/samba/log.smbd

That should print out 15 lines of stuff and then wait, the prompt won't come back. The -f says to follow the file and when something happens you will see it on your terminal at the same time.

Now try to connect from Windows again and post the errors that that command should be showing you. You can try a couple of things and hopefully see what is going on.

Once you are done to stop the tail command and get your prompt back press Control-C in the terminal window.

Good Luck,

-Eric
 
#20
Here once again are the results:

[2003/03/14 03:53:37, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
[2003/03/14 04:02:56, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
[1970/01/01 01:00:23, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
[1970/01/01 01:00:20, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
[1970/01/01 01:00:28, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
tail -f -n 15 /var/log/samba/log.smbd
^C
[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% [2003/03/14 03:53:37, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
Badly placed ()'s.
smbd version 2[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Badly placed ()'s.
Copyright Andrew Tridg[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
Copyright: Command not found.
[2003/03/14 04:02[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% [2003/03/14 04:02:56, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
Badly placed ()'s.
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) [Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Badly placed ()'s.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
Copyright: Command not found.
[1970/01/01 01:00:23, 0] /SourceCa[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% [1970/01/01 01:00:23, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
Badly placed ()'s.
[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Badly placed ()'s.
Copyri[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
Copyright: Command not found.
[[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% [1970/01/01 01:00:20, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
Badly placed ()'s.
smbd version 2.[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Badly placed ()'s.
Copyright Andrew Tridge[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002
Copyright: Command not found.
[1970/01/01 01:00:[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% [1970/01/01 01:00:28, 0] /SourceCache/samba/samba-23/source/smbd/server.c:main(698)
Badly placed ()'s.
smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) s[Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% smbd version 2.2.3a (build 23) started.
Badly placed ()'s.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba [Mac-G4:~] steveformosa% Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002


Hopefully I managed to follow your instructions correctly.

Does this make any sense to you?

Steve
 
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