New Drive, Won't Load System Software

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zaremba13

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I bought a used Apple Power Macintosh G4/1.25 DP MDD. It came with Tiger installed on a 40 gb internal drive. I bought a 120 gb internal drive to supplement the existing drive.

I have editing hardware that uses software that is only OS 9 native. The software will not boot up in OS 9 classic. That is why I bought this particular computer. As far as I know, it is the last computer that Apple made that allows booting up in both OS 9 and OS 10. I have other photo software that boots up only in OS 10. This computer seemed perfect for my needs.

I partitioned the new 120 gb drive in two partitions. I was going to use one partition exclusively for OS 9 and the other for OS 10. My plan was to install the OS 10.2.4/ OS 9.2.2 CD software on the new drive. The original CD’s that came with the computer were included with the purchase. The Tiger CD software was not included.

I tried to install the OS 10.2.4/9.2.2 on both partitions of the new drive, but the computer will only allow me to restore the original software (including OS 9, but the OS 10 has to be installed separately with other disks) on the 40 gb drive where the Tiger software exists. I tried to copy the Tiger software to a Firewire drive, but it will not copy a complete system software to another drive.

Will installing the OS 9 delete the Tiger version of OS 10? Any other suggestions how I can manage to keep the Tiger software on the original 40 gb drive, and be able to install the original system software on the new dual partitioned 120gb internal drive?

Thanks,

Charlie





Charlie
 
'I partitioned the new 120 gb drive in two partitions. I was going to use one partition exclusively for OS 9 and the other for OS 10. My plan was to install the OS 10.2.4/ OS 9.2.2 CD software on the new drive' - although possible, it is really not needed. A full install of System of 9.2.x, on the same hard disk drive or partition of MacOS X, would boot as System 9.2.x or run as 'Classic' when launched via MacOS X (10.x.x).

'The Tiger CD software was not included.' - 'Tiger' is officially released on a DVD, with optional CD purchase - only via Apple Computer.

'I tried to copy the Tiger software to a Firewire drive, but it will not copy a complete system software to another drive. ' - unlike 'System 1.0' through 'System 9.2.2' - MacOS X cannot be simply dragged to another volume. Instead you will need to use 'Carbon Copy Cloner', CCC, (freeware).

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Suggestion:

01. Remove the 40 GB hard disk drive, hdd.
02. Install the 120 GB hdd (set to 'Master') into the drive bay - from which the 40 GB hdd was removed.
03. Install the 40 GB hdd (set to 'Slave').
04. Boot from the 40 GB hdd, install 'CCC' onto it, and use 'CCC' to copy the complete 40 GB hdd onto the 120 GB hdd.
05. Boot from the 'Restore' disk and allow it to format and install 'System 9.x' onto the 40 GB hard disk drive.
06. Boot from either the 40 GB hdd, via 'System 9.2.x' or the 120 GB hdd, via MacOS X (10.4.x).

Should you ever boot from the 120 GB hdd, and then use a 'System 9.x' or earlier application - 'System 9.2.x' on the 40 GB will be used in 'Classic' mode. This happens due to MacOS X adding a few files to the 'System Folder' folder. These files will not have any affect when the Mac is booted from the 40 GB - into the real Macintosh operating system - 'System 9.2.x'.
 
Barhar


Thanks for your help. Someone at work today also told me about Carbon Copy Cloner. I downloaded it today, but won't have time to use it until the weekend.

Regarding the Tiger software: if I can make a clone copy on the Firewire drive, is it possible to make a bootable CD or DVD of the Tiger? Toast 7 is loaded on the G4 I just bought. I also have Toast 6.0.5 on my e-mac g4. I have earlier versions of 5 and even 4 on CD if the older version will make bootable disc copies. I like to have a back up in case of hard drive and/or Firewire drive failure. My motto is you can never have too many back ups in different formats. It has saved me in the past.

Regarding the drive partitions, another friend who has similar software suggested keeping the OS 9 software, applications, files etc. separate from the OS 10 counterparts to have more efficient running of each operating system on its own drive and/or partition.

I was also told that the drive designation of "master" and "slave" had no bearing on the ability to run or load operating system software. Apple does not have any documentation that I could find in the manual. Now isn't that a surprise!
 
zaremba13 said:
I was also told that the drive designation of "master" and "slave" had no bearing on the ability to run or load operating system software. Apple does not have any documentation that I could find in the manual. Now isn't that a surprise!
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Because drive installation and formatting have been going on since computers were first around.
 
'is it possible to make a bootable CD or DVD of the Tiger? ' - no.

'Regarding the drive partitions, another friend ... suggested keeping the OS 9 software, applications, files etc. separate from the OS 10 ... to have more efficient running of each operating system on its own drive and/or partition.' - the friend is incorrect (this is my opinion, based on experience).

'I was also told that the drive designation of "master" and "slave" had no bearing on the ability to run or load operating system software' - and that it true.
Assuming the two hdd's are stacked (as shown here) - as they are on other PPC PMs, placing the larger capacity hdd beneath the lesser capacity hdd now, would allow quicker replacement of the lesser capacity hdd, at a later date.
 
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