Post Election - Chaos?

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fryke said:
Actually I wasn't really joking. I think after what happened in 2000, the USA really NEED the help of more developed countries in the task of electing a president. You can't really tell me that the American people has already _forgotten_ about 2000?! I mean: You _do_ remember that US elections were the base of jokes around the world, don't you? Even those who back then supported Al Gore don't remember? I can't seem to get that...
You were not joking? Well neither was i - the 2000 election was not the first time a candidate won the popular vote but did not win the actual election - we just never had a pathetic crybaby like al gore file a lawsuit over it!

As much as the electoral process is flawed here, it still beats out the sytems in place in most other countries.

What other system would you suggest we use as a guide - maybe socialism, communism, a dictatorship, or even a theocracy would be more to your liking??

*We surely do NOT need the help of an "organization" as politically corrupt as the United Nations!
 
Maybe I live in a rose-colored world, but frankly, I just know that Bush is going to win tomorrow. If Im wrong, Im wrong. But... there is some interesting things floating around (not stupid newsweek polls mind you) that really show Bush really ahead in this election.

One classic example... I was in line voting on Friday... taking advantage of early voting. There was a LONG line, in fact, I waited about 20-30 minutes to vote. Bot a big deal, heck only two locations open for early voting in this county, unlike it would be tomorrow with god knows how many. So... anyhow a lady in front of me was from Canada. She was going on about wondering if she was going to have to prove she was a citizen, didn't bring any of her paperwork. blah-blah-blah. But the funny thing, she started going on... she said... everyone wants to have cheap healthcare like Canada and want to pay 50% of their taxes toward a socialist healthcare system... yet what does everyone in Canada want? To come to the USA for surgery.

She was basically going to vote for Bush, although she never came out and said it. And everyone else in line was agreeing with her 100%. Of course I live in a RED state and probably only 30-35% of those in my state will vote for Kerry.

Truth be known... if Kerry is the best the Democrats can come up with, it is a sad day in that party.

I was talking with a young friend of mine, 18... he is from a blue state... he said, I am seriously considering joining the military but Im going to wait on the election result. If Kerry wins, no way in hell I am going to sing up. If Bush does.. then there is a serious good chance I will.

The fact is... this country elected Bush in 2000 and a very good chance Bush is coming back for another 4 years.
 
ScottW said:
If only you knew the truth about Christ.

Actually the Archeolical Truth about Christ is that the Character which Jesus was Modelled on, was a small, ugly, hunched-back Prophet who lived in Jerusalem and ranted on and on about helping other people, and not hurting other people. Stories of his Altruism were exagerated over and over again, until they were considered Miracles.
He was popular among the lower and working classes, because he preached that everyone should have the same oportunities - The Cornerstone of Socialism.

His teachings have been adopted, and adapted by Judaeism, every denomination of Christianity, Islam and dozens of smaller cults. The reason Hinduism, Buddhism and other Eastern Religions haven't considered his Teachings was because, since they were so similar to the teachings of Buddha, it was old news.

The Historical Truth about Christ is that Wars, Genocidal Purges and Cultural Oppression have all been carried out in his name; things the original Prophet Abhored.

The Historical Truth about Islam is that similar Attrocities have been carried out in Mohommeds name, which he, like the Jesus Character, would have considered Abhorent too.

An example of how Corrupted the original Prophets Messages have become, The Koran forbits Mutilation of Genitals. The Sultan of Constantinople contracted Koptic Christian Priests to Casterate his Eunichs because he couldn't ask a fellow Islamic to perform the operation.
Meanwhile, Islamic Communities in Afghanistan and Central Africa were performing Female Circumsicion to discourage Adultery.

A Similar Example is how Anglican Christians have the right to Divorce and Remarry, simply because Henry the Eighth didn't like his first wife terribly much.

(Sorry for Spelling Mistakes, My iBook has a blown Logic Board, so I have to use the Family PC :( )
 
Salvo said:
(Sorry for Spelling Mistakes, My iBook has a blown Logic Board, so I have to use the Family PC :( )


Misspelled words were not the only mistakes included in your
post. :confused:
 
Go democrats. The world is counting on you. Go vote and make sure that the USA is no longer considered the most serious threat to freedom and peace in the world outside. We actually want the USA back on track, so we can _admire_ the states again. Once the USA and its flag stood for freedom and a great nation that was a poster child for many others. Nowadays, they're spreading terror.
 
ScottW -- as you point out, the vote in Kansas is not in doubt.

I live in Ohio, near Cleveland, and oh BROTHER have we been getting a lot of attention from BOTH candidates lately. Kerry is here tonight, in fact.

I just IM'd with my wife - she says the phone has been ringing all day with automated campaign messages - for Bush. Last night we got a recording from Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp?). And I could easily build a pyramid 15 feet high with all the campaign-related junk mail I've received.

But the chatter I heard on the train on the way to work this morning was all pro-Kerry, anti-Bush, so it doesn't surprise me that GOP is making a panicked attempt to sway voters in my area with irritating phone calls.

I'm not going to embarrass myself with a prediction that has at best a 50% chance of being correct. But you know what would be just pure poetry?

If Bush WON the popular vote this time, and LOST the electoral....
 
I'm not sure what the hang up is about popular vote vs electoral votes... Why would that be poetry? Because it happened to Gore? The truth is, the popular vote decides on a state basis, and then those electoral votes are counted toward who is President. The popular vote, nationally speaking has no impact what-so-ever on the election of the President, so why is/was it ever considered an issue?

It's like saying... boy... more people bought Gore baseball jersey's than Bush, yet Bush won. Who freak'n cares.

Should the same thing happen to Bush this year in your pure poetry outcome, then that is fine... if Kerry gets more electoral votes than Bush, he wins... any other numbers, polls, or outcome is simply noise and arguement in my opinion is unfounded.
 
Poetry is in the eye of the beholder I guess. More Americans liked Gore? Bush gets the job! More Americans like Bush? Kerry gets the job!

Our electoral system is a joke. We need to get it changed. Perhaps if it costs the Republicans a victory, something will actually be done about it.
 
Actually, not ALL American's voted... if EVERY American voted he may have won the popular vote as well.

The electoral system will never change. But what could change is the voting process. When I voted, all I gave them was a voting card, no picture, no proof... I could have just found that card in the street and voted. That I think needs to change.
 
I think Rush said it best...

"We now find ourselves at a crossroads. Are we going to continue to do something about it or are we going to rent peace for awhile and allow Osama bin Laden at the end of the day tomorrow to go ahead and claim that he and he alone influenced the outcome of the United States elections? Are we going to have a victory for Osama bin Laden tomorrow and give him bragging rights across the Middle East and in the worlds of the left and in the process create a whole new generation of terrorists? Here is a man who is so incapacitated because we've made the decision to fight and defend our freedom that all he can launch as an October Surprise is a tape that appears to come right out of the text of the movie Fahrenheit 9/11."
 
[ADMIN:] ACK! Instead of hitting the quote button, I hit the edit button and re-wrote this post. My fault & apologies. --SCOTT
 
So you (or at least Rush) thinks Bush should win because of Osama's announcement, rather than Kerry winning because of it? :confused:

Show of hands here: has anyone's choice for President been influenced by bin Laden's latest tape?
 
fryke said:
Go democrats. The world is counting on you. Go vote and make sure that the USA is no longer considered the most serious threat to freedom and peace in the world outside. We actually want the USA back on track, so we can _admire_ the states again. Once the USA and its flag stood for freedom and a great nation that was a poster child for many others. Nowadays, they're spreading terror.

Actually, the most serious threat to freedom and peace in the world today is Osama bin laden and his holy war - this includes his soldiers and supporters, and they reside in the midddle east, not the USA.

Also, the USA is not spreading terror - that comment is pure diatribe and an insult to all americans - the USA is fighting terror and will continue to do so.

You should really be more carefull about what you blurt out in ignorance,it does not reflect well on your character.

You are taking this way past a simple difference of opinion and making it personal - i do not appreciate it at all.
 
g/re/p said:
Actually, the most serious threat to freedom and peace in the world today is Osama bin laden and his holy war - this includes his soldiers and supporters, and they reside in the midddle east, not the USA.

Also, the USA is not spreading terror - that comment is pure diatribe and an insult to all americans - the USA is fighting terror and will continue to do so.

You should really be more carefull about what you blurt out in ignorance,it does not reflect well on your character.

You are taking this way past a simple difference of opinion and making it personal - i do not appreciate it at all.
Do you think there would have been any terror against the US if they didn't invade other countries to control their treasures of the soil? It would be wonderful if the US was simply into helping other countries, but this is very obviously not the case. I am not insulting the US citizens, but the current US government and their foreign policy. And I believe the citizens do not know what their government is actually doing there. And I am also not supporting the UN. If they were more consequent, they never would have let the US proceed with their attacks against iraq for "their understanding of democracy". Every attack will have another attack for revenge. Which one in this circle is called terror? Hard to say, huh?
 
ScottW said:
Here is a man who is so incapacitated because we've made the decision to fight and defend our freedom that all he can launch as an October Surprise is a tape that appears to come right out of the text of the movie Fahrenheit 9/11."

Be that it may come from Fahrenheit 9/11, but if you also pick up "The 9/11 Commission Report" at your local book store and flip to page 38 you'll find:
The President was seated in a classroom when, at 9:05, Andrew Card whispered to him: 'A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.' The President told us his instinct was to project calm, not to have the country see an excited reaction at a moment of crisis.... The president remained in the classroom for another five to seven minutes, while the children continued reading.
Why should I believe bush when he says the country is safer under him when it is clearly not. Why would we focus our attention on a nation that had no threat to the United States? Why would a president that is so concerned about protecting our country from terrorists tell us to our face that he's not concerened about the most wanted man in the world? When asked about Usama Bin Laden on March 13, 2002 he said during a news conference,
Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't neccessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
The most upsetting part about this is that our deadliest enemy, Usama Bin Laden, is even convinced that it was easier to attack the US under the Bush administration,
We never thought that the high commander of the U.S. armies would leave 50,000 of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting.
It's time we stop making excuses for our poor leadership and we vote for a change. Face the facts. VOTE!
 
ScottW said:
"We now find ourselves at a crossroads. Are we going to continue to do something about it or are we going to rent peace for awhile and allow Osama bin Laden at the end of the day tomorrow to go ahead and claim that he and he alone influenced the outcome of the United States elections? Are we going to have a victory for Osama bin Laden tomorrow and give him bragging rights across the Middle East and in the worlds of the left and in the process create a whole new generation of terrorists? Here is a man who is so incapacitated because we've made the decision to fight and defend our freedom that all he can launch as an October Surprise is a tape that appears to come right out of the text of the movie Fahrenheit 9/11."

Oh come on - and you believe that do you. Wow, I am amazed!!!

That is some of the most blatant and biased spin you can ever imagine. In 'Dead Ringers: US Election Special' last night (a satirical impressions show), they had a sketch of Bin Laden's video which then cut back to Rumsfeld writing out a cheque to Bin Laden as it is so obvious how the Republicans could use his tape to their advantage "If you vote Kerry you're just showing that Bin Laden is right". I can't believe you suckers are actually falling for that spin. (oh - and I should add the show wasn't just 30 minutes of Bush bashing, they also did an excellent clip spoofing Michael Moore - a man who I don't have a great deal of time for, but am very glad people like him exist to try and help balance the scales of lies, deceit and political spin).


And all this stuff about Popular Vote vs Electoral College. Surely you can see the logic in people feeling that the most popular candidate should win? and suggesting "socialism, communism, a dictatorship, or even a theocracy", etc as alternatives - don't be so stupid, there are plenty of other, better electoral systems, it isn't a matter of just having the Electoral College, or some kind of system where you basically get no vote, and the fact you include socialism in that list is just hillarious, socialism would actually be better, but you could still have a socialist government under your current system.

I mean, the system in this country isn't perfect, and some kind of proportional representation would be better, but hell, it's still more of a proportionally representative system that in the US.

America going round and espousing the wonders of democracy to the rest of the world, when their own system is so flawed and corrupt, is just hilarious.


Oh, and from what I understand, if there had been a FULL (I understand Bush still would have won under any of Gore's suggested compromises, but a full recount would have given him the edge) recount of the Florida vote, then Bush wouldn't have even won the Electoral College thing, and would have stood no chance at all if the unfairly disenfranchised voters had had their chance to vote.



Anyway America, good luck in the polls today. It is your big chance to regain some respect in the world, increase global security, give your own people more freedom and choice, repair your economy, and improve your standing as a leading force in a global partnership. So please, do the right thing, and get to those polls and vote for Kerry.

If Bush wins this election, international respect for America and Americans will plummet even lower than before, at the moment it's just your leadership that has lost our respect, but most of you didn't vote for him so still have our respect, don't go loosing this respect by voting him in again.

Of course, you may not care about being respected internationally, you may think this interfering, British left-wing liberal should just mind his own bloody business, and that's fair enough. But before going into that polling station, just pause for a minute and ask yourself why there is so much hatred for America in the world, and if it is such a good thing, and if America will be better off being led someone who the rest of the world sees as a man who will do nothing but fuel that haterd and so increase terrorism, or should you perhaps vote in a man who the world sees as having a chance to change all that?

Also, you may feel Bush is than man who can protect you best from terrorists, but remember, he's the man who said "they can run, but they can't hide" - well, if they can't hide, where the bloody hell are they Mr Bush???
 
grep said: "Actually, the most serious threat to freedom and peace in the world today is Osama bin laden and his holy war - this includes his soldiers and supporters, and they reside in the midddle east, not the USA."

Actually, that's where we differ, dear grep. Simply, and definitely, differ.

grep also said: "Also, the USA is not spreading terror - that comment is pure diatribe and an insult to all americans - the USA is fighting terror and will continue to do so."

Sadly, they're not just fighting terror. They're bringing war to countries and fear of war to other countries. Different points of view, but still...

Then grep said: "You should really be more carefull about what you blurt out in ignorance,it does not reflect well on your character."

I can only say that the same goes for you, grep. Please see that I _am_ careful (that's how it's spelled, by the way) about what I blurt out. And it's not ignorance, it's the consequence of seeing that many Americans (about 49 percent according to the latest polls) _see_ their president lie on TV but don't seem to _look_. They just forget. And ignore. I listen to many, many American people about what the US do in the world, and strange enough: Only those who actually travel the world and _see_ how the image of the USA has been hurt by their president understand why it's very, very important that Bush steps down or simply isn't re-elected.
 
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