A database software failure?

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I read that FileMaker is a failure because some people have a hard time to meet their needs for their internet database business. I was told that Lasso sucks, too. (Is that a joke?)

What is going on? Many IBM PC users have no problem with their internet databases. Apple is only one that has the most difficult to deal with a database for internet business for years. Why it is so late? That's not good.
Of course, I know that Apple is so good... but not the database software.
 
Where did you read that? It would be nice to see a citation.

Filemaker has been wildly profitable every single quarter since Apple spun them off into their own company. FileMaker is the easiest to use database program of the heavyweight databases and it makes publishing to the Web a snap.

On top of that, they are going to release a new database program for ordinary users next month called Bento that is already getting great reviews during its beta phase.
 
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. FileMaker isn't meant to be a large scale internet database. Get a real relational database for that and keep your FileMaker databases for desktop applications.
 
I guess that some other people who wrote their post have their own complaint for some reasons. I believe what you said about the FileMaker the positive things.

I want to make sure that a FileMaker Pro 9 allows me anything I want to design it on my website, and I have Dreamweaver 8 to work with a database (with the FileMaker Pro 9 ?? ). I have no knowledge how to connect between a database to Dreamweaver 8. I bet that it is hard to set it up.

The FileMaker website does not say that I could pay to upgrade from FileMaker Pro 9 to FileMaker Pro 9 Advanced. (http://www.filemaker.com/products/index.html)

I was told that FileMaker Server 9 is only one that connects a database to let a user to search something on the website. Is that correct?

I never heard of a Lasso software, and Lasso's website does not have snapshots. It provides for anyone to download a demo software for 30-days trial free. I am not interested to download it on my computer because it may leave some junk files buried in the system after I delete the software.
(Lasso - http://www.lassosoft.com/)
 
Captain Code said:
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. FileMaker isn't meant to be a large scale internet database.
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Yes, it is. In fact, it has been the premier product for doing this for several years now.

http://www.filemaker.com/support/technologies/web.html

Captain Code said:
Get a real relational database for that and keep your FileMaker databases for desktop applications.
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FileMaker Pro has been "a real relational database" for several years now.

http://cithii.notlong.com

http://www.quasar.ualberta.ca/edit202/tutorial/database/reldb/reldb.htm
 
Another subject, will I able to create a forum with a FM Pro 9? Is it only way to use on Dreamweaver 8 for the forum? I am intermediate on Dreamweaver 8.

I paid and took a GoLive class a few years ago, and we (students) never finished the project because we had to wait for two students to catch up their skill. That's why some of us were upset about that. I ask you a favor to help me so that I start to understand how it works. I would very much appreciate it.

By the way, Happy Holidays! Please keep in your mind - don't drink and drive otherwise you would ruin their trip by jam in the traffic for many hours Be wise!
 
webexplorer said:
Here is the link:

http://tomster.org/blog/archive/2003/12/07/on-why-filemaker-sucks
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Thank you for the link.

I think that one of the responses to that rant hit it right on the head. The ranter has missed the fact that FMP is an end-user database (and by far the best of its kind) and that the ranter is trying to use it as an application development environment. To its credit, you can use FMP for that, but it isn't ideal. This doesn't make FMP a bad program, you just have to accept that it is what it is.

As an example, Graphic Converter is an excellent photo manipulation program with lots of power. Users love it, and you can do many things with it. But I wouldn't use it if my job involved photography.

There are more databases for the Macintosh than for any other platform. Its easy to find one that meets your needs for a specific project (be you an end-user or an application developer).

On the high end there is:

FileMaker Pro
http://www.filemaker.com

Panorama
http://www.provue.com/panorama5.html

4th Dimension
http://www.4d.com/products/4thdimension.html

Omnis
http://www.omnis.net/products/studio/index.html?detail=overview

Helix
http://www.qsatoolworks.com/1product/helix60.html

On the low end there's:

EagleData (free)
http://www.eaglesoft.de/eagle/eagledata.html

FrontBase (free if you forego support)
http://www.frontbase.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/FrontBase

iList Data
http://www.lakewoodstudios.com/ilistdata/

iData
http://www.idata3.com/

Valentina
http://www.paradigmasoft.com/

Papyrus (an office suite that includes a database)
http://www.rom-logicware.com/

SuperCard
http://www.supercard.us/about.html
 
I know this was posted some time ago but one thing needs to be corrected, Helix is basically dead. It won't run on OS10 in the development environment, so you would need to have a classic compatible machine. Even though the server and client "run" in OS10 they are not stable or reliable.

I have used FMP and 4D extensively and can recommend them without hesitation although the learning curve for 4D is steep.
Regards
Phil
 
pns6430 said:
I know this was posted some time ago but one thing needs to be corrected, Helix is basically dead. It won't run on OS10 in the development environment, so you would need to have a classic compatible machine. Even though the server and client "run" in OS10 they are not stable or reliable.
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I am not a database developer, but I note that a new version of Helix was released just yesterday:
http://www.qsatoolworks.com/
 
Here is a quote from qsa tool works's own site "We’ve always recommended that if your Mac can run Classic (and if you’ve got a PowerPC Mac, it can) then you should run the Classic Helix products. OS X Helix is required to run on an Intel Mac, but not on PowerPC."

I have used helix for 17 years, it's dead.

This latest release still doesn't print with postscript, they basically hacked the screen snap so if you have any logo's or art work on your forms it gets stepped on. The list view is so slow it is unusable.

The development environment, the RADE, ONLY works in classic and it took 8 years just to get the server running in OS10 so don't look for the RADE anytime soon.

I suggest reading the whole press release before recommending software. Their new release is just a patch for some major errors.
Regards
Phil
 
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pns6430 said:
I suggest reading the whole press release before recommending software.
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I'm not "recommending" Helix to anybody.

Clearly you have an ax to grind with the company and/or product.

It may be that the product is unstable or that it isn't feature complete. I don't really know. But clearly the product isn't "dead." A new version was released only one day ago. There is no arguing that the product is available and that it continues to be updated. It may be dead to you, but it clearly isn't dead to its developers, and possibly to others. Anyone can see that from the developer's Web site.

When you state things that aren't true, it brings into question how factual the rest of the things that you have to say are.

Personally, I don't care about Helix in the least. But I don't like it when people spread FUD, even if their criticisms are fully warranted.
 
Randy Singer said:
Thank you for the link.

There are more databases for the Macintosh than for any other platform.
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If that is said in all sincerity, I have to take everything else you say with a very large grain of salt.

btw You missed OpenOffice, NeoOffice and AppleWorks in your list.

PS Just went to a PC shareware site and there must be about 400 returns on "database"
 
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rubaiyat said:
If that is said in all sincerity, I have to take everything else you say with a very large grain of salt.
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I really don't care what a Windows troll thinks.

rubaiyat said:
btw You missed OpenOffice, NeoOffice and AppleWorks in your list.
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Apple stopped offering AppleWorks for sale two years ago.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/rip-appleworks.ars

OpenOffice and NeoOffice are basically the same program (same code base), from two different open source project groups. But, yes, both offer a nice, basic, free database component.

However, the list I gave earlier in this thread that you are referring to was in response to a discussion where the topic was database programs that could be used to create virtual applications.

AppleWorks, OpenOffice and NeoOffice aren't in that class, hence they weren't mentioned.

rubaiyat said:
PS Just went to a PC shareware site and there must be about 400 returns on "database"
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Yes, I can do the same on a Mac shareware site.
http://is.gd/59EB2

But really, who cares? I'm not here to feed the trolls.
 
Are you a juvenile or just a fool?

I say something in response to a clearly wrong statement and you throw around troll!

AppleWorks still functions and can be bought, but not from Apple, and you suddenly become picky about databases when a cluster of the ones you list are feeble to say the least.

Ah well back to the first question.
 
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