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[LeoTheLion89]

i was meaning who says they always have to "improve everything" yea fixing security holes is one thing but changing version number for a secury fix pointless if Tiger was so great there was no need for Leopard could of simply added Leopard feats to Tiger

 

[ElDiabloConCaca]

there is two reasons i dont get a intel mac 1 beacuse i have never like Intel processors they run WAY too hot. 2 even second hand intel macs cost more then a brand new Windows computer i like the PowerPC they are cheaper and just as good plus if i wanted a Intel mac id install Mac OS X on my Pentium 4 machine as OS X DOES run just not full compatibility

If you think Intel processors run hot, then you have never been within 20 feet of a PowerPC G5 processor. There's a reason there was never a portable computer built around the G5, and that reason had nothing to do with politics.

I like the old adage, "You get what you pay for." I can (and do) buy discount whiteboxes, build 'em myself, or whatever, and I slap the latest Linux distro atop them and run Windows (and other OS's) virtualized. In fact, my main Windows computer is actually a Gentoo-based Linux distro running VirtualBox and serving 4 Windows 2003 servers.

For some reason, though, I am more productive, happier, and less stressed working on my Macs. They cost more, sure, but oh holy hell are they worth it, in my opinion. You can't have champagne tastes on a beer budget. If all you've got is beer money, then a beer computer you will get. It's the reason that not everyone that wants a Porsche drives a Porsche. Not everyone that wants a Mac can afford one, and Apple is not in the charity business of ensuring that everyone from every income level has a Mac Pro on their desktop.

Bringing a new Mac OS X computer on-line, fully loaded to the gills with productivity software (Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, etc.) takes half a day or less. Doing the same for a Windows box or a Linux box takes eons (comparatively). There are little, intangible advantages to running Mac OS X that aren't expressed solely by the specs of the computer. At the end of the day, is someone going to look at your resume and say, "Hey, this looks like it was made with an AMD processor..." or look at your artwork and say, "Gosh, if only you'd created this on a Mac Pro instead of a G4..." or are they just going to judge your work on your work alone? If you can't get by with a 10-year-old G4 and produce some amazing shit, then what's the real need behind upgrading to a faster box, unless you're simply looking for bragging rights? What good is all that inexpensive octo-core multi-GB power that you crammed into that dirt-cheap whitebox for $350 that runs Linux if you have no earthly idea on how to utilize that much power effectively? Would you consider someone a "better" artist if their computer applies a Gaussian Blur in half the time that someone else's computer does?

Not to mention that how powerful a computer is has absolutely no correlation with how proficient the user is. You're still going to type at a pokey 15 words per minute, you're still going to suck balls at Photoshop, and you're still not going to be able to cut video like a pro by buying a faster computer. If you can't create the next Photoshop masterpiece on a Pentium D 200MHz, you certainly won't be able to do any better with a quad-core behemoth loaded up with 32GB of RAM. (Realize that these are the informal "yous" -- not you, specifically)

In the right hands, my ~15-year-old G4 will run circles around and be more productive than some dipstick that got a Mac Pro for Christmas and hasn't a clue about how the damn thing works.

 

[ElDiabloConCaca]

i was meaning who says they always have to "improve everything" yea fixing security holes is one thing but changing version number for a secury fix pointless if Tiger was so great there was no need for Leopard could of simply added Leopard feats to Tiger

Apple is a business, not a charity. At the end of the day, they need to turn a profit.

Explain to me how Apple is going to make any money by never selling another version of OS X to anyone and allowing people to remain 100% productive with 20-year-old computers.

Why do we improve our cars year after year? Why do we improve our washing machines? Why do we upgrade our stereos in our cars? Why switch from horses to steam power to gasoline power? Why switch from incandescent bulbs to crappy fluorescent bulbs? Computers march forward, improving, becoming more efficient, less power-hungry, and more useful, just like everything else in life. Expecting a computer's hardware or software to stagnate because "it's good now and runs pretty well" while the rest of the world gets bigger, better, faster, and more capable is silly. None of these upgrades were free (no one is going to automatically "upgrade" your lightbulbs without requiring you to buy the new and improved lightbulbs), and the same applies to the world of computers. Want to stay current? That requires money. Sometimes multiple monies over multiple years. No one is forcing you to upgrade (incandescent bulbs still work fine, for example), and Photoshop 7 on Mac OS X 10.3 is just as viable a graphics program as Photoshop CS5.5 on a Mac Pro.

When software marches forward, so must hardware, and vice-versa. The two cannot get too "out of sync." My G4 ran everything from OS 8.6 up through OS X 10.4, and that's where the usable life of that computer ended for me, though, in the right hands, a 500MHz G4 and OS X Tiger can still create a website that rivals one created on a newer computer, it can still product beautiful and grammatically-correct word processing documents with the best of them, and it can still get on the internet and view websites that don't use cutting-edge technology (like ridiculous versions of Flash).

We'd all be running MS-DOS and CP/M in your world of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and try to remain backward-compatible indefinitely."

 

[Doctor X]

I remain upset that Sony never perfected a portable 8-track player. . . .

--J.D.

 

[Satcomer]

there is two reasons i dont get a intel mac 1 beacuse i have never like Intel processors they run WAY too hot.

You never had a G5 Mac? These G5's were so hot Apple couldn't put them into laptops.

 

[Satcomer]

you still need to install Antivirus software on Mac most people believe Macs are immune to viruses this is not the case they are less common but are vary much out there

Misinformation! The only problems in OS X are Trojans! Each one required a Mac user to input their Administrator password. So the best security is a little education. Also you could just use something like OpenDNS (here is their instructional video). This way you can never go to known trojan hosting site. OpenDNS is much faster at blocking known sites.

Plus another way Trojans have gotten onto OS X is through cracked programs on IRC as well as software "fell off the back of the truck". So as long as aMac user stays honest and doesn't try to use cracked versions of OS X software they will be safe!

 

[Doctor X]

You never had a G5 Mac? These G5's were so hot Apple couldn't put them into laptops.

Exactly. I LOVED my Widdle Pismo with the 400 MHz G3 which I upgraded to a 500 MHz G-Frelling-4.

MUAHA!HA!HA!HA! FEAR ME! FEAR ME!

I came to infest this board due to a mistake I made with my much loved System 9! Over time, I just could not get anything to work--browsing became a chore.

I had a discussion on the Macs I have had on a more friendly "Mac versus PC" thread where each Mac user drifted into the "I remember . . . when . . . we had Apple II!11!" So I did a comparison of how processing power has improved over time:

I had a PRE-power PC--POWERBook 520--

and who needs to spend more money for color displays? Color is a passing fancy! What is the "World wide web?" You know, where reporters would tell you addresses by saying "h-t-t-p-colon-backslash-backslash. . . ."? Hey! Get OFF my lawn!

You could upgrade it to a PowerPC chip!

It had System 6 BUT YOU COULD UPGRADE TO SYSTEM 7 IMMEDIATESLEES!

I note that because a few years ago in yet another tedious "Mac Suck No PC Suck" debate a PC fan claimed Mac OS X had "millions of viruses!" and when asked to provide examples he cited one for . . . System 6! Created a few years after that system was abandoned. I informed him that I nightly worry about the security of my TimexSinclair. . . .

I digress . . .

Then came the PowerBook G3 with 400 F[CENSORED--Ed.]ng MHz:

that I upgraded to a G4 500!!11! BWA!HA!HA!HA!HA! Just look at it! It is BLACK!!!1!!

It also had Firewire! FRELLING FIREwire!!11!

Mere PC "notebooks" cowered in the face of The Black Powerbook [Of Doom.--Ed.] Even Me Mum's desktop PC cried tears until she needed to replace the mother-board. I warned her. Oh I warned her!

I only upgraded to that because the old one just required too much duct tape to keep the screen up! I found another one and thought about rehabilitating the 520 only to come to my diseased senses.

That one lasted for a long time. Meanwhile, Mac [Procreated.--Ed.] about with newer Macbooks that flaked, had keyboard buttons fall out, even voted Libertarian. Many, like myself, stuck with the Powerbook Firewire [Of Doom.--Ed.]. It was easy to fix--you could literally take it down to all components and replace them if you needed. But, finally, as I surfed these pages and noooooottttttttiiiiiiicccccceeeeeeddddhoooooowwwwwwslow, and a fried AC soundcard led me to move on to the loved . . .

Macbook 2.4 GHz and 6.0 GB of RAM! AND IT IS BLACK:

a serious upgrade to previous and my "work horse" for years. Eventually, it became slow and just . . . stopped. It now works again--probably has a failing logic board--see? The Mac Names for components are SO more Kool than PC!--but it works and I use it to travel to GodForsaken Regions. Moved on to current laptop.

Anyways, it is fun to compare the Geekbench "bars" for all of the models. The earliest, they do not even bother. The 520 had a BLAZING fast 25 MHz processor

The old PowerBook Firewire gives a bar of 21 with the G3 400 Mhz native. Upgraded to G4 500 we ZOOM to about 320.

The MacBook 2.4 is 3135--nearly 10X as fast. My current tests into 7857. Had I bought the cumbersome 15" you get 10,000 and if you are really wasting the concept of "laptop" with the 17" you get 10,700.

The point of all of that blather is that we progress, the requirements of a computer progress. But, then, they ceased making programs for that TimexSinclair. . . .

--J.D.