Bob, You don't know how much I appreciate your help, but, sorry, the pic you sent causes the browser to crash every time I load it. I'm a real pain in the ass, I know. I'm using my off-line G4 for this and it probably doesn't have what it takes to open the pic. I get it ok, just crashes the browser and asks if I wanna' report a bug. I'm growing weary. I have an open phone line if that would help talking to me. Let me know and I will give you the number or you can give me yours........thanks again......windsail.......