Policy on Warez, Serialz, and P2P Discussions

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Merriam-Webster on Freedom...

FREEDOM has a broad range of application from total absence of restraint to merely a sense of not being unduly hampered or frustrated <freedom of the press>.

To me, freedom is found in boundries. When your a child, you are free to play where you want, as long as you stay in the yard or stay in boundries set by parents. You step outside your boundries, you break the law your parents set.

The same goes for this board. You have freedom to participate as long as it follows the rule of the board. Your right to swing your arm ends the moment it hits someone else, at least in the United States... and the same theory applies on this forum. Even if we did have hard core rules that limited your ability to speak as you might think as "freely" that is perfectly acceptable. Just as you'd have no right to complain by not being able to order a BigMac at Burger King, complaining about violating board rules here, really you have no leg to stand on.
 
One last note: Which is why I always tell those who are not happy with the way things are on this board... go somewhere else. Go to McDonalds where you can buy a BigMac. A complaint without validity is just noise. :)

I think we have a great site here and amazingly enough, many people find it a breath of fresh air to find out that our boundries are enforced.
 
I somehow don't like this "go somewhere else" line which I saw few times by now posted by different ppl. It doesn't fit to this forum. We welcome every new member and help out everyone. We believe our rules ensure this kind of harmonie we have here and complaints shouldn't be bashed with the line: go somewhere else. As long they are not valid, it should be quite easy to prove it. And such discussions are no noise! I think ppl that really care for this forum and discuss such things with the site founder and the mods are the backbone of this forum.
And once those complaints are valid we should be more flexible.
My point is that "go somewhere else" is rather an admission that the complaint might be vaild but we simply can't find any way to disprove it and stay stubborn.
I am not refering this post to any previous ones in this thread. Have actually no clue what ppl are discussing here but just wanted to comment the line "go somewhere else".
 
Zammy

Definitely don't take offense to the "go somewhere else" you are seeing here. It has to do with people who come to the board for the sole purpose of breaking the rules of the board itself. Ie. people asking about warez or hacks or for serial numbers—things that are expressly forbidden here.

I think we can all agree this site is great mainly because there's always someone around to help whomever has a question in the quickest way possible.I have learned a lot from being here, personally. :)
 
I'm not particularly liking the "go somewhere else" mantra either. But as Scott so graciously indicated, he could give a rats ass if members are unhappy and have complaints. Its just hot air to him; wasted energy. This is why I don't contribute to this site much anymore. Sure I'll come here when I have a tech problem, and I usually get an answer from somebody; but that is the extent of my interaction here.

I registered here the day I aquired the Public Beta. It was a young idealistic board back then, but now it's cold and sterile.
Almost as many times as this place has gotten a facelift have I needed to defend my account from being banned for asinine reasons. The owner of this site and some of his mods have god complexes. Just my 2¢, I'm not a drama queen, and not laying down ultimatums demanding change or suffer my desertion. Just know that to me this board has all the warmth and charm of a train station in the late 1930's Italy. Your trains are running on time Scott.

For what it's worth, Fryke has been the only Mod here to ever exude coolness.
 
stizz, board rules. Violate again, you won't need a defense. For everyone else, if you enjoy pointless posts... well, tuff. :)

Types of Posters We'd Like To Discourage

Drama Queen: Like all message boards, there is always a constant turnover in the number of people that frequent the macosx.com board. Most people, after having decided they no longer wish to visit the board, make no announcement about their departure. Some individuals have a penchant for making long boisterous departures from the message board that is clearly worthy of an Emmy award - "Goodbye cruel message board" is the classic remark. Because most of them seek to harm the morale of the board, Drama Queens are regarded as a nuisance. What also makes them an even greater pain is their tendency to repeatedly coming back for a series encore performances. "I came back to see if you people changed your ways, but I see things are the same as always - so once again, farewell cruel message board."
 
QUOTE

Here’s to the crazy ones.



The misfits.

The rebels.

The troublemakers.

The round pegs in the square holes.

The ones who see things differently.


They’re not fond of rules.

And they have no respect for the status quo.


You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them,

disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them.

About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them.

Because they change things.


They invent. They imagine. They heal.

They explore. They create. They inspire.

They push the human race forward.



Maybe they have to be crazy.

How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art?
Or sit in silence and hear a song that’s never been written?
Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?


While some see them as the crazy ones,
we see genius.

Because the people who are crazy enough to think
they can change the world, are the ones who do.

I guess we should rename this forum winosxp

Hatred is the only thing I wish that could be banned
 
In the context of the last few posts in this thread, I doubt mi5moav was talking about you Scott, since you seem to be the complete opposite of the criteria he listed for being crazy,...I could be wrong, but most likely am not.
 
edX said:
people who come here to request warez help will be banned immediately with no warnings. in the past warnings have been issued to give some people the benefit of the doubt. no more.


so DO NOT post asking for serial numbers, shared software or anything like this. do not ask what the best p2p app is nor where to get a good spam client.
Click to expand...

Shouldn't this be posted somewhere more noticeable? Let's face it, no new member's gonna scroll to the bottom of the index just to read this.
Maybe a link to this thread on the index would be good?

Just an idea.
 
I agree, I think that is an important thread, not just for the reason that is not likely to be banned, but also for the discussion of p2p apps and warez... in my opinion,it's a good choice to keep things that -in some countries- can be punished with the jail out of this forum... , it's stupid to risk the closure of this site, and other legal problems.
 
Tetano..the advice you just gave on how to obtain a serial, even as innoculous as suggesting [content uncerimoniously deleted by powers that be] is grounds for bannation here under scotts iron fisted zero tolerance rules.
I agree that open discussions on warez and other such topics probably do not belong here but plenty of other good discussions about p2p software (which has legitamate uses) and other grey area subject matter (like how to protrect yourself from apps that like to phone home without your consent) will get you banned. Even being helpful and suggesting a more specific place to look is a nono.
How I still have an account here I do not know, because I don't tolerate such BS and have most cartainly worn out my welcome.
The site owner and most of his moderators are anything but moderate; they are so ultra conservative I'm suprised they use macs at all. I'm sure one day I'll make another intelligent post about a topic that scares Scott, and I'll end up missing; you'll see.
 
Ah, nostalgy... The days of the Public Beta. Quite certainly this forum was different back then. (You can go back in time using the search function. I sometimes search for my own oldest threads. Quite funny sometimes...) However: Not only has Mac OS X changed in the past four years, so has the range of customers as well as macosx.com/forums. Back then, we were few and wild. I mean: Who in their right mind would have tried to actually get _work_ done on Mac OS X Public Beta? (I sure did...) ;)

Times have changed, and so has the board. We usually get to this spirit again in the three to four months before a new version of OS X is released. I always look forward to those. And these times are ahead again.

The pioneer spirit about Mac OS X is just not 'useful' any longer. It's a commerically available software now. It's the main operating system of every Mac sold by Apple today. The problems and wishes of users are different. Thus: I understand the changes. And I've certainly changed with this process over time, too.
 
I'm one that has actually scrolled down and read all the posts here :)

I could not agree more with both Bobs and frykes views on the subject.
To me it is pretty simple and clear from the start.
Either you respect the rules of a board (that is moderated--->for the sake of all) or you do not.
This is not a new subject on msg. boards. Neither are the comments that follow (even mine).

There are boards that are totally "open" to anyone and everything and then we have the others that are moderated.
This is both democracy AND freedom. We are free to oblige, free to not like it and choose a less moderated msg board OR...make ones own (with the rules one likes).

Since the people who started this msg board are the ones who make the rules it is (to me) both disrespectful AND a waste of space to start questioning the basic rules.

I do not understand the wish of some who do this. Is it a need to rebel? A need to be seen? A need to say no because one can?

A bit childish, no?

If it had to do with a subject that really IS important to this forum and many of its members...it would make more sence that anyone objects.

To me this subject is a very logical and simple.

It is easy to write a post to complain about small issues just for the sake of it but more difficoult to take a step back and see the whole picture AND...be happy about having joined a very (imv) open forum that this is.

One of you guys wrote about comming here only now and then to get help (which is fine and ok) but otherwise couldn't give a *** about this forum.

How do you think that looks, taking a step back?
To me: someone rather egotistical who only uses other peoples labour (this forum), when that is over; give back some critisism about its basic rules.

It doesn't make any sence!

I do not come here often enough to say that I am a regular but when I have, I have had the pleasure of being helped and sometimes given help to others.
I've never feelt the urge to critizise the forums rules. If there are rules, I try to stick by them.
I havn't lost anything by giving such a small contribution in return for the better of the forum.

Sometimes I think users/members think more about what they can get and forget what they can give in return.
Is that something to be proud of? Is this personality trait something that we all gain from?

Someone above talked about "people going their own way" etc, like that in itself is something great. Sure, that's fine....but i see nothing here that reminds me anything of a "genious" just because they complain over something so simple.
Not without it having some substence to it. :rolleyes:

In my view some people have some growing up to do.
I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just wish that one could take a step back first and see the whole picture before starting to post complaints.

/G
 
P2Ps are perfectly legal, and downloading mp3s from them is not illegal in Canada Supreme Court said. So personally, I may be asking for a P2P to do stuff that is NOT illegal.

So unless someone specifically asks "What P2P is the best to find mac softwares" he shoudn't be banned.
 
Well, rules where setup not necessarily because of the "legality" as it is as much as topics we wish to not have discussed here. Whether or not Canada has made it illegal or not is really not the issue here. Some pornography is legal and the legality of porn is different from country-to-country. However, just because porn is legal, doesn't mean it is to be posted or shared/distributed via this forum. The same goes for P2P. I agree, P2P itself is not illegal, it is what is done with it. The old saying goes, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people".

Legal or not, we avoid P2P conversation like the plague. For those of you in Colorado Springs, CO.... yes, we do mean... AVOID THE PLAGUE!
 
macosx.com, I assume, has servers in the United States which makes it governable by US Laws, not Canadian laws. One of which is that file-sharing of copywritten material is prohibited. Any group or entity that aids and abets that purpose is also guilty. It's called "aiding and abetting".

If you don't like the rules, it's your right to debate them but not to violate them. Don't use this message board if you can't follow the rules. Why is this so difficult to understand?
 
I was just adding a point to that P2P thing. If the forum administrators don't want to hear about it here it's their forum so we have to comply. What I was wondering is whether that was against P2P or against illegal downloading.
 
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