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Decado
Kallikanzaroi
you will have to go here to see the apple: http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/theater/spotlight.html
ElDiabloConCaca
U.S.D.A. Prime
No one promised a color iPod at WWDC. The only thing confirmed is that when the new iPod comes out, it will have a color screen. No one said anything about it being released at the WWDC.
And, as said more than once before, this was a developers' conference. No cool gizmos and toys for the casual Mac user -- those should be announced and previewed at an Expo.
The keynote seemed underwhelming to the casual user, because, well, it wasn't targeted at a casual user audience. The keynote was candy and then some for developers, though, as we have tons of new tools to work with -- things you only see on very advanced systems. It is quite apparent that Apple wants to empower developers with only the very best tools... tools that would cost thousands of dollars on other platforms.
I have two 17" CRT displays for coding -- one will have my code, the other a debugging palatte... or one will have a graphical representation of a web page, while on the other I edit the code and see the results instantaneously. I can only dream about what this would be like on that 30"... or even the 23"... hell, even the 20", now that they're ALL widescreen.
Again, underwhelming to those expecting Apple to talk about stuff that's non-developer related (for whatever crazy reason they thought that), but serious stuff for those it was meant to reach. Kudos, Apple -- I wasn't expecting you to release something ridiculous, and you didn't. You did me and my business justice, and I can't wait for Tiger and my new tools, and I'll be dreaming about dual 30" displays tonight.
And, as said more than once before, this was a developers' conference. No cool gizmos and toys for the casual Mac user -- those should be announced and previewed at an Expo.
The keynote seemed underwhelming to the casual user, because, well, it wasn't targeted at a casual user audience. The keynote was candy and then some for developers, though, as we have tons of new tools to work with -- things you only see on very advanced systems. It is quite apparent that Apple wants to empower developers with only the very best tools... tools that would cost thousands of dollars on other platforms.
I have two 17" CRT displays for coding -- one will have my code, the other a debugging palatte... or one will have a graphical representation of a web page, while on the other I edit the code and see the results instantaneously. I can only dream about what this would be like on that 30"... or even the 23"... hell, even the 20", now that they're ALL widescreen.
Again, underwhelming to those expecting Apple to talk about stuff that's non-developer related (for whatever crazy reason they thought that), but serious stuff for those it was meant to reach. Kudos, Apple -- I wasn't expecting you to release something ridiculous, and you didn't. You did me and my business justice, and I can't wait for Tiger and my new tools, and I'll be dreaming about dual 30" displays tonight.
ElDiabloConCaca
U.S.D.A. Prime
gerbick said:
It is funny, but the confirmation did not extend to it's release at today's WWDC. Color: confirmed; release @ WWDC: unconfirmed (well, ANTI-confirmed now, I guess).
Still... that leaves one to wonder -- is Apple "flanking" the WWDC with new products? Some before, some after... could the color iPod be right around the corner?
Ripcord
Senior Lurker
I just watched the Keynote. A bit more than I'd realized previously, I guess I am looking forward to Tiger, or is it just the Koolaid?
Again, watching the video REALLY makes me wish I could use iChat. But then this is the crux of my problem using the Mac.
At work I have a Mac most importantly because I use an OSS software that's very power-hungry. It was hoped that a Dual 2.0ghz G5 would be able to run it well. The G5 does, but it's closely matched by evan a 1.4Ghz Pentium M because, well, the app isn't really optimized for running on PPC, and, jeeze, neither is GCC.
I can't really use Mail.app, Safari, iCal, or Address Book at work, though I'd VERY mich like to use them. My company uses Exchange for all these things, and only allow MAPI. This means I have to use Outlook 2001, the *OS 9* version. Which means a lot of the cool stuff I want to do - iPod syncing, syncing to my system at home with .Mac, using Konfabulator and other plugins to give me nice quick references to upcoming appointments/todos, etc. But I can't do these (unless I want to manually replicate a lot of the data from Exchange into my own programs and waste a lot of time, which I don't). I want to use Safari to browse sites, but unfortunately it doesn't even have basic NTLM support, so I can't even *authenticate* to a lot of sites at work, let alone display them correctly.
I want to be able to connect to fileservers and printers, which is unbelievably broken in 10.3.4 (and all previous versions moreso).
I want to be able to use iChat AV videoconferencing, but nearly no one I know has a Mac. They're not going to buy one either because of the price issue, which renders iChat AV a very cool, but useless program to me.
So I can't use the productivity functionality, I can't browse my websites, I can't interoperate with other people that I need to, I can't take advantage of the speed of the G5, I can't run my programs... Because of 1) App support, 2) major interoperability issues, and 3) price.
Hopefully Apple will be well on their way to addressing these issues by mid-2005. Tiger shows some promise, but unless these problems can be solved, fewer and fewer home users will be ABLE to use the Mac, same for corporate users. All that will be left will be media professionals, which, regarless of 30" screens and H.264 support built-in, will disappear quickly as the flushing toilet (whirlpool) of shrinking market share and vanishing app support (imagine Adobe drops Photoshop for Mac in, say, 2005 when the Mac marketshare is 13%?) continues.
Again, watching the video REALLY makes me wish I could use iChat. But then this is the crux of my problem using the Mac.
At work I have a Mac most importantly because I use an OSS software that's very power-hungry. It was hoped that a Dual 2.0ghz G5 would be able to run it well. The G5 does, but it's closely matched by evan a 1.4Ghz Pentium M because, well, the app isn't really optimized for running on PPC, and, jeeze, neither is GCC.
I can't really use Mail.app, Safari, iCal, or Address Book at work, though I'd VERY mich like to use them. My company uses Exchange for all these things, and only allow MAPI. This means I have to use Outlook 2001, the *OS 9* version. Which means a lot of the cool stuff I want to do - iPod syncing, syncing to my system at home with .Mac, using Konfabulator and other plugins to give me nice quick references to upcoming appointments/todos, etc. But I can't do these (unless I want to manually replicate a lot of the data from Exchange into my own programs and waste a lot of time, which I don't). I want to use Safari to browse sites, but unfortunately it doesn't even have basic NTLM support, so I can't even *authenticate* to a lot of sites at work, let alone display them correctly.
I want to be able to connect to fileservers and printers, which is unbelievably broken in 10.3.4 (and all previous versions moreso).
I want to be able to use iChat AV videoconferencing, but nearly no one I know has a Mac. They're not going to buy one either because of the price issue, which renders iChat AV a very cool, but useless program to me.
So I can't use the productivity functionality, I can't browse my websites, I can't interoperate with other people that I need to, I can't take advantage of the speed of the G5, I can't run my programs... Because of 1) App support, 2) major interoperability issues, and 3) price.
Hopefully Apple will be well on their way to addressing these issues by mid-2005. Tiger shows some promise, but unless these problems can be solved, fewer and fewer home users will be ABLE to use the Mac, same for corporate users. All that will be left will be media professionals, which, regarless of 30" screens and H.264 support built-in, will disappear quickly as the flushing toilet (whirlpool) of shrinking market share and vanishing app support (imagine Adobe drops Photoshop for Mac in, say, 2005 when the Mac marketshare is 13%?) continues.
It's all relative, I guess. We all have different needs or desires for our techno world. This conference was quite solid for me:
1. H.264. Yum. Four times better at same data rate. Yum. Ratified for HD DVD. Yum. Now H.264 and WM9 can duke it out. Thank god it's included in HD DVD spec. It would have been an absolute disaster had WM9 been ratified and not H.264. I've literally lost sleep over this. As a developer complete disaster. Except now it's not.
2. Automater. For non-programmers like me who are constantly wanting specialty Applescripts, this rules earth. I am always asking my programmer to get skilled in Appescript for one weird request or another. Now I don't have to bug him anymore. It's a wonderful world we live in when you can tell your computer to download all of today's porn and make a DVD, all in four clicks.
3. 30" cinema display. Not so hot on the stand, but I'd take one in a heartbeat. Still looks nice. Some day some day . I just wonder how their custom Nvidia video card compares to the Radeon 9800. Not that it makes a bit of difference to me since I'm not getting a 30". I'll just have to keep limping along on my crappy, useless 22" CD.
4. Steve's 3 GHZ flub explanation. Handled it perfectly. Just admit it, briefly explain it without sounding like a big whiner and move on. Well done. We're reasonable people, we can except the situation. Actually, we're not reasonable people, we're Mac users, we are just shy of being a cult, but still
5. Spotlight. I have found Panther's inline searching to be the absolute greatest productivity feature. Awesome. And now even better with Spotlight. Bravo. And was it just me or were those search results coming back REALLY quick? Like lots faster than any search I've ever done on a large amount of files. Nice.
6. iChat AV. Don't use it. Don't really care. Glad for all the users tho. Really wish I had a use for it.
7. Safari RSS. Whatever. I'm sure some people care. I'm not one of them.
8. Dashboard. None of those particular widgets were of any value to me, but I'm sure some developers will change my mind at some point. What might be interesting is to apply the concept of using Expose with widgets to, say, using Expose with any particular application set. Maybe that would be stupid and pointless. I don't know.
9. Voice processing. Oh that's right. They didn't cover that. Too bad. I'm still holding out for my holy grail of voice command and control. ViaVoice fell a bit short for me.
10. .Mac. I actually use .Mac. I like its effortless way of allowing me to keep home and office in line. Glad to see it refined.
11. 64-bit. 64-bit. 64-bit. Blah blah blah. Until I see an application that actually makes use of that, those words are meaningless to me. For crying out loud, not even Apple's own apps [that would be worth using 64-bit processing] don't take advantage (Motion, Final Cut, DVDSP, QuickTime, etc. However, I'm optimistic that in a year, that will change. I'm guessing by end of '05 all of Apple's flagship media apps will be 64-bit aware and tie in nicely with Tiger in that respect.
12. Core Image/Core Video. Alright, listen up Adobe and listen good, cuz I"m only going to say this once. You see, Core Image/Video offically destroys whatever archaic image and video processing code you've got in Photoshop and After Effects. You've got one year. Make it happen. If I see the word "render" in any of your literature next year, I'm going to get upset. And you don't want to see me upset.
13. Speaking of render. Did I actually hear Alias say Maya Unlimited for OS X? The stars have aligned. This is bigger than Quark for OS X. (Quark is dead in case you haven't noticed). M-m-m-maya U-u-u-nlimited. Yum.
For my needs, I found this year's WWDC solid. I'm excited about more than a few things.
1. H.264. Yum. Four times better at same data rate. Yum. Ratified for HD DVD. Yum. Now H.264 and WM9 can duke it out. Thank god it's included in HD DVD spec. It would have been an absolute disaster had WM9 been ratified and not H.264. I've literally lost sleep over this. As a developer complete disaster. Except now it's not.
2. Automater. For non-programmers like me who are constantly wanting specialty Applescripts, this rules earth. I am always asking my programmer to get skilled in Appescript for one weird request or another. Now I don't have to bug him anymore. It's a wonderful world we live in when you can tell your computer to download all of today's porn and make a DVD, all in four clicks.
3. 30" cinema display. Not so hot on the stand, but I'd take one in a heartbeat. Still looks nice. Some day some day . I just wonder how their custom Nvidia video card compares to the Radeon 9800. Not that it makes a bit of difference to me since I'm not getting a 30". I'll just have to keep limping along on my crappy, useless 22" CD.
4. Steve's 3 GHZ flub explanation. Handled it perfectly. Just admit it, briefly explain it without sounding like a big whiner and move on. Well done. We're reasonable people, we can except the situation. Actually, we're not reasonable people, we're Mac users, we are just shy of being a cult, but still
5. Spotlight. I have found Panther's inline searching to be the absolute greatest productivity feature. Awesome. And now even better with Spotlight. Bravo. And was it just me or were those search results coming back REALLY quick? Like lots faster than any search I've ever done on a large amount of files. Nice.
6. iChat AV. Don't use it. Don't really care. Glad for all the users tho. Really wish I had a use for it.
7. Safari RSS. Whatever. I'm sure some people care. I'm not one of them.
8. Dashboard. None of those particular widgets were of any value to me, but I'm sure some developers will change my mind at some point. What might be interesting is to apply the concept of using Expose with widgets to, say, using Expose with any particular application set. Maybe that would be stupid and pointless. I don't know.
9. Voice processing. Oh that's right. They didn't cover that. Too bad. I'm still holding out for my holy grail of voice command and control. ViaVoice fell a bit short for me.
10. .Mac. I actually use .Mac. I like its effortless way of allowing me to keep home and office in line. Glad to see it refined.
11. 64-bit. 64-bit. 64-bit. Blah blah blah. Until I see an application that actually makes use of that, those words are meaningless to me. For crying out loud, not even Apple's own apps [that would be worth using 64-bit processing] don't take advantage (Motion, Final Cut, DVDSP, QuickTime, etc. However, I'm optimistic that in a year, that will change. I'm guessing by end of '05 all of Apple's flagship media apps will be 64-bit aware and tie in nicely with Tiger in that respect.
12. Core Image/Core Video. Alright, listen up Adobe and listen good, cuz I"m only going to say this once. You see, Core Image/Video offically destroys whatever archaic image and video processing code you've got in Photoshop and After Effects. You've got one year. Make it happen. If I see the word "render" in any of your literature next year, I'm going to get upset. And you don't want to see me upset.
13. Speaking of render. Did I actually hear Alias say Maya Unlimited for OS X? The stars have aligned. This is bigger than Quark for OS X. (Quark is dead in case you haven't noticed). M-m-m-maya U-u-u-nlimited. Yum.
For my needs, I found this year's WWDC solid. I'm excited about more than a few things.
symphonix
Scratch & Sniff Committee
Just as a side note, for the people who've said they're not crazy about the new Cinema Display's stand. There is a VESA stand adapter that will allow you to use a wide vaiety of monitor arms and stands with it, so if you're willing to splash out the cash, it should be easy to find a better stand.
lnoelstorr
Registered
Decado said:What about the death of the pinestripe. look at the screenshots on the spotlightpage: a shiny menu and a blue marked apple. the menu doesnt bother me. but the bluemarked apple reminds me of xp
Yeah, I think some of the new features and changes to the look and feel do seem a little more garish and XPish. One of the great things about the OSX interface up until now is that it's been so sleek and stylish. The 'Apple' you talk about, some of the Spotlight stuff, and Dashboard all look very garish to me.
bobbo
Panther User
the blue tabs for spotlight and apple, and the dashboard, are both really ugly to me. I still love apple, I'm just disappointed in Tiger. It didn't excite me the way Panther did. Hopefully these looks will be improved/grow on me. And Apple is still way, way above PCs in my book
Did you watch the keynote stream? It has a lot more than what has been reported on the rumor sites. Also, look at Apple's Tiger page for more info about it. There's a lot more to the update than some websites are reporting.
Cat
Registered
Dashboard is not pure javascript: "They are Web pages, plain and simple (with extra features thrown in for added measure). Apple's own web site says "build your own widgets using the JavaScript language", but that's sort of misleading. The widgets are HTML+CSS+JS. They are not some JS-only thing." From Surfin'Safari
ElDiabloConCaca
U.S.D.A. Prime
Not to mention you need to know image manipulation as well, which doesn't come easy with JavaScript.
Wanna learn JavaScript? Start out with simple web page forms with JavaScript functions. You'll be amazed at how quickly you learn by starting off making simple calculators and redirects.
Wanna learn JavaScript? Start out with simple web page forms with JavaScript functions. You'll be amazed at how quickly you learn by starting off making simple calculators and redirects.
texanpenguin
Registered Penguin
The blued tabs (most notably on the Apple corner) look HORRENDOUS, but if you'll notice, they fix the ergonomic problem that existed in previous versions of OS X that say that you can't hit the corner of the screen to bring up the Apple Menu... now, you can just fly the mouse up-left and click and you'll definitely open the Apple Menu. Of course, one reason that this is utterly stupid is that the Apple menu is all but useless on my PowerBook, particularly in comparison to that of Classic... I can get to the shut down controls with the power button. I just want that horrible bluiciousness to get out of my face - the Party-shuffle glow too. Please don't become XP; it's just not worth it. At least let me use the Panther menubar.
Notice in the Safari RSS screenshots on the preview page that the menubar is back to Panther niceness... perhaps it will be an option (*crosses fingers*)
Notice in the Safari RSS screenshots on the preview page that the menubar is back to Panther niceness... perhaps it will be an option (*crosses fingers*)