Booting from ext hard drive

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sharjohn

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Is it possible to boot from an external hard drive? I am assuming yes. In my scenario, I am running windows 7 through bootcamp on one of my two internal hard drives. The other hard drive is only for Mac.

How can I boot machine into windows using an external hard drive. My external hard drive is firewire 800
 
I am almost sure Windows 7 will NOT boot from an external in the home. Am I wrong?

To boot to another drive in a Mac is easy, if you 'clone' correctly . System Preferences->Startup Disk.

For bootable OS X I use the freeware/donationware Carbon Copy Cloner. Check it out, you might like it.
 
i will be getting a eMac. i will be using it to install OS X on a external HDD and in return put that HDD into a mac with a failed CD Drive. i have no FireWire drives however i CAN get a USB to FireWire 400 adaptor using this and a gender changer i can turn any USB Drive into a FireWire Drive will this work the same as a FireWire enclosure as far as booting from external media goes?
 
Please show a link to a "USB to Firewire adapter".
You're likely looking at PCI cards, or multi-port hubs that have both USB and Firewire ports, which is not what you need, and won't do what you want (convert USB to Firewire).
I have never heard of a USB device that provides a Firewire output (changes USB to Firewire.) You may have the additional challenge of a USB 1.1 port, depending on which eMac you have, which your task then becomes impossible, even if a USB to Firewire adapter exists, as the USB 1.1 bus cannot possibly provide the bandwidth needed for a 400 Mbs Firewire. Can't work/doesn't exist.
You 'change' a USB-only drive to Firewire by removing the hard drive from the USB case, and installing in a case that includes a Firewire interface.
So, you need to get a Firewire external case.
 
Ah, OK, and it's just a couple of dollars.
At least you won't be wasting a lot of money.

I predict it won't work.

But - try it, and prove me wrong (I can always admit when I'm wrong - but I don't expect that :D )
 
USB and Firewire are completely different protocols
The Firewire cable has two active pairs for data.
USB has only one data pair.
That likely will restrict the connection (if it works at all) to FW100 or slower, not FW400
USB carries 5 volts at a low current for use by connected devices.
Firewire carries 30 volts, although I suspect that little adapter has no voltage changing capabilities, and would be only for those devices that use 4 pin firewire connectors that need no voltage through the connection, such as some cameras and other devices that don't need that. Not likely that little adapter can possibly work with a storage device like a hard drive.
But, like I said, it's only a couple of dollars, and maybe I'm completely wrong, so feel free to try it.

tip - if you are getting a few older Macs, a Firewire drive, especially an empty firewire case is a very handy device to have available.
 
looking at external enclosures there is 1 question i have why do all Firewire drives have 2 FireWire ports? how do i know which of the two to use?
 
Two ports - one to use to attach to your computer, and the other would chain to another Firewire device.
Either port is good, and doesn't matter which one you use.
(Don't attach BOTH connections to and from the same device :D )
 
here is images providing PROOF that you can indeed boot a USB Hard Drive from a PowerPC eMac.

first image is the OPTION boot menu WITHOUT the USB Hard Drive connected the Second picture shows the same menu showing a Leopard Install partaion which is on the External USB Hard Drive. the unlabled parition is Ubuntu
 

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That screenshot does not prove that you can successfully boot from a USB device. That screenshot merely proves that the USB drive appears to the system as a bootable device.

The real proof would be actually selecting that USB drive and successfully booting from it, which may or may not work.

It's like a car's speedometer going up to 180mph -- just because the dial reads "180" does NOT mean the car can actually do that. Just because the drive shows up does NOT mean the computer will boot successfully from it.

Try it, and if it works, then THAT would be proof.
 
it does boot but that is not something you can show in pictures. in my use of osx if its NOT bootable it WILL NOT show up in the boot list
 
LeoTheLion89 said:
it does boot but that is not something you can show in pictures. in my use of osx if its NOT bootable it WILL NOT show up in the boot list
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The only reason it shows in the boot list is because the system sees a version of OSX installed on the volume. I see failing hard drives and volumes with completely incorrect versions of OSX show up in boot manager all the time that won't boot a machine.
 
Some PowerPC-based Macs will, in fact, boot from certain versions of OS X over USB. Your eMac is listed as not being able to, but it very well might with alternate bootloaders or more recent versions of OS X.

Just because your eMac does it doesn't mean that all eMacs, prior and after yours, will do the same. It's not a supported operation, and therefore, isn't recommened much in troubleshooting procedures.

Cool that yours does it. Are you using the standard Apple-supported BootX bootloader, or did one of your Linux installations install an alternate one?
 
ElDiabloConCaca said:
Some PowerPC-based Macs will, in fact, boot from certain versions of OS X over USB. Your eMac is listed as not being able to, but it very well might with alternate bootloaders or more recent versions of OS X.

Just because your eMac does it doesn't mean that all eMacs, prior and after yours, will do the same. It's not a supported operation, and therefore, isn't recommened much in troubleshooting procedures.

Cool that yours does it. Are you using the standard Apple-supported BootX bootloader, or did one of your Linux installations install an alternate one?
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i have no idea what bootloader i have i was able to boot from USB before and after i installed Ubuntu from what i have read Macs have been able to boot from USB since 10.4.2 somewhere around there
 
LeoTheLion89 said:
i have also read...
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When you say "I heard from..." or "I read that..." it's nice to provide a link to wherever you heard or read it from, like so:

http://hintsforums.macworld.com/archive/index.php/t-112196.html

This thread gives some insight as to what hardware can boot from USB, why it can or cannot boot from USB, the versions of Mac OS and Mac OS X that support USB booting, and how to work around it if you have a system or version of OS X that is difficult to boot from USB.
 
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