Hey El, I usually keep the keys down for a minute or more and it doesn't seem to respond. Maybe I should hold longer but I'm not hearing the customary Mac "chatter" from the computer. I'm running Jaguar installed from the disc. I'm not on any network, that was the original mistake I make choosing the network icon. Ethernet, firewire, and USB cards were taken out, someone else suggested that, but it doesn't make any difference. I got into this trouble in the first place trying to network it to my G4. Never could make a connection. After I "fouled" up this time I have even taken the HD out of the G3 and put in in the G4 extra bay thinking I may get it cleared that way. It partially starts up, you know, the little spiral thing on the screen and they just freezes before fininshing. That's on the G4, it seems to "stumble" when it gets to the G3 HD. So I just put it back in the G3 and now I'm stuck. I really think it's something simple I am missing. The G3 has a lot of extra memory added, do you think I should take some of it out and try it that way, hadn't thought of that.......thanks El......windsail.......