Originally posted by sithious
i am trying to make a point based maybe on a bad example. claiming my logic is flawed is rather arrogant.
It wasn't meant to be, but you were trying to lead me into an answer that would not match the situation.
different example (purely hypothetic):
german terrorists (the baader- meinhof gang/RAF) blow up an american building. does the us bomb germany? no.
do the germans put the terrorists on trial? yes. in germany. not in the states.
after proof that it was indeed them has been delivered.
do they simply have them executed by the secret service? no.
did bush deliver this proof to the taliban when they offered to give up bin laden upon seeing proof?
no, he did not. why? because he is arrogant. maybe he has proof, maybe he doesn't. i don't know, and neither do you.
We have an extradition treaty with Germany as I recall. Yes, they would turn them over.
the us declared war on china? i think not.
War, no, but you said "get involved", yes we did. Again, look it up.
how do you know so much about these people? i know very little of them, i have never been there, i have never spoken to them. have you?
why do they have so little hope when we have so much? they could probably feed whole families for years on the money we spend on macs.
Besides the fact that I wanted to know why many of my friends missed the Games in 1980 (and most didn't make into the 1984 Games), I also know personally many people from that region (the best man at my wedding was Iranian). I have an interest in both sides, people I care dearly for. As for feeding the poor, read my first post again.
point taken, if you say you're not emotional i'll just have to believe you. do me favour and believe me too.
Sounds good to me.
you probably wouldn't. my version of extreme is not cussing and swearing on a forum. my version of extreme is war. killing. bloodshed. death. you are advocating my version of extreme. sticks and stones may break your bones, but words ... blah blah blah.
Still, a civil argument is more productive that one the breaks down... don't you think?
glad you thought it was funny ... i laughed too. unfortunately i found yours rather arrogantly patronising.
But it is accurate, none the less. We expect nothing from Europe, Europe has asked a lot of us. These are the facts. Like them or not. Sorry.
and sorry, no, you didn't save europe, neither you nor your family nor the great nation it belongs to.
you helped save europe.
there were other nations involved, in case you forgot. it is sad that you work so hard to play up the role of the us, it is hard not to see arrogance there. don't play down the role of the british and the russians, please. and don't forget hitler also lost the war due to his own arrogance and stupidity, not only because of the "superiority" of his opponents.
Who made the planes that the British used? My grandfather did. Like it or not, the US was the turning point in the war in Europe. I don't know what they teach you there, but from 36-41 things couldn't have gotten much worse. I'm embarrassed that we took so long to enter the war. And please, the Soviets only kept germany in pieces for half a century.
it is sad that you have had to experience the awful situations you describe.
why would you want to inflict them on other people? is it not enough for you to have suffered that way? why is violence everywhere in the us? i don't know anybody that's ever been shot at, and boy, am i glad about that. i want to live in peace.
I don't, situations that let to this type of conflict should be avoided at ALMOST all cost. This is one of the time when the cost is just to high for everyone involved.
