Jaguar - Mac OS X 10.2

... there IS a simple way to "turn off" the dock.

Download TinkerTool like I suggested in my last post. Then set it to be at the top of the screen. Then hide it.

Cleverly, Apple realized that the dock would impede the menu bar if the auto-unhiding were to function while the dock is at the top of the screen. So guess what?? While the dock's at the top, and while you have it hidden, it NEVER comes out! You can position your mouse anywhere in the menu bar and it never comes out. To boot, if you DO want to access it. Just unhide it via Command-Option-D.

Doesn't that just ROCK? Although the dock is still active. And combined with Quitling which is basically the Application Menu from OS 9 resurrected for Mac OS X, OS X is even more like OS 9 -- no dock and an application switcher menu!

Clever that Apple thought to disable unhiding while the Dock's at the top of the screen. I think I like it like this. :)

Oh, I should add... the trash won't show up. And TinkerTool can no longer show the trash on the desktop. But don't fret. I have another sweet goodie up my sleeve:

If you plan on using this "No Dock" trick, you can 1) un-hide the dock when you want to access the trash just by pressing Command-Option-D, or and this I love, 2) add it to your Finder window toolbars. How you say? Easy. Make the dock visible. Click on the trash icon. Now you see the Trash window. See the title bar of the window where it has a mini trash icon and the word "Trash"? Click and hold on the Trash icon. It will highlight, and you will be able to drag the icon/name from the title bar. Just drag it into your Finder toolbar and voilˆ.. you've got the Trash right in each and every window. There's one small problem with this. The icon of the trash won't update when something is added to the trash or when the trash is emptied... however when you create a new Finder window, the trash will be checked and the icon will display accordingly. So you might have two Finder windows... one where the trash is full, and one where the trash is empty. This is a minor inconvenience, though, and maybe someone can make a utility to force those icons to autoupdate.

Have fun you dock haters! :) I love the dock, but having it as an addition rather than a requirement is much nicer. :)
 
Here is my post from this thread:
http://www.macosx.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6435

Whats in store in 10.2 and 10.3??

Steive said that the os x upgrade cycle is like a clock, right? And 10.1 is 6 o'clock, right? Didn't he say that 10.2 is 9 oclock which would put 10.3 at 12 o'clock. And then, at v10.3, OS X would be ready for mainstream market. (default on startup, advertizing blitz, ect.)

So, my question for the community is: What does apple have in store for the next two major upgrade cycles? I doubt it is only optimizations and bug fixes. What is the OS X team working on right now? Any takers?


My ideas for a kick-a$$ upgrade in the coming months/years are:

It would be cool to have a framework for distributed computing built into the system. Imagine Maya for mac release 2 adding support for this. See Maya. See maya run. See Maya run on 20 G5s at once. See Joe the 3D Artist see Maya. See Joe sh*t his pants. See Joe tell his boss. See Joe's boss buy 20 more Macs for thier network.


Or instead of logging into your computer via terminal (text based), it would be pretty sweet to log in and be presented with your desktop in a window (maybe rendered at half size or as full screen). As you moved your mouse around in the window, all of your clicks would be sent back to your server computer. You could run programs on your computer remotely, or you could have 2 or more ppl log in at once as differnt users and do thier work on your high powered computer (so each person dosent have to buy one). Normal displays are bitmapped (high bandwidth), but because the window drawing in OS X is Quartz based (pdf), you could even log in over a 56K connection and have a reasonable user experience.

That said (pdf based termnal) Apple could give rise to a new business and educational machine. It would have the form factor of a cube, but it wouldn't have a hard drive, it would net boot to a server (remember that demo Jobs gave a while back of 50 iMacs without hard drives all netbooting at once?) From there a kid (educational) or a secertary (business) could launch word and punch out a report or whatever. The actual program would be running on the server machine, but the Quartz data would be streamed out to the client machine to be rendered there. How many instances of word do you think a high end G4 could currently run w/o slowing down. The main advantage of doing it this way is the price of the client machine. All it needs is a proccessor, 64 MB ram, mother board, and a low end graphics card (if you need to use a cd, pop it into the server). This machine would have no moving parts. You could sell these babies for $399 (less if you dont include the keyboard or mouse). Imagine a school or business trying to equip a computer lab with 25 computers. You could currently do this with $999 Dells (pulled out of a$$ number) or $399 Macs + $1700 server. The Dells will run you $24975 + monitors, and the Macs will run you $11675 + monitors. If you are worried about speed ('comon how much processor time does word or explorer use anyway??) you could throw a dual processor Mac in for an extra $2K. Say you want everyone in the class to watch a Quicktime movie, you could offload the decompression (Quicktime layer of OS X) onto the client machine too. Last time I checked, Quicktime streaming server can handle over 1,000 simultanius streams. Summery, make a cheap client machine that only needs to handle the drawing layers of OS X (Quartz, Quicktime, and OpenGL).


One last idea: Enable an auto syncronize across airport networks. Imagine a automatic sync PalmPilot style except over wireless networks. Example: Apple puts a Airport on a street corner in your city. You drive by and your computer automaticly hotsyncs with your email and downloads it for you. Or the weather. Or the news. Or your computer backs up a text document that you have been working on to your remote home computer. You could do some neat stuff.
 
Wooow, I was thinking about getting an iBook (pretty cheap for all it provides), but doing some kind of development on a laptop is not very easy (small keyboard, small screen), but it's even worse with no virtual desktop!

I don't think such a feature is very hard to implement, and it could really make my life easier (at least when I use the laptop ;-)

I think I will get an iBook anyway, but I am a bit disappointed...
 
Well.. I LOVE the Dock, but I'd like to see some more options for it. I'd like to pin the Dock to the left side from the prefs panel. And when it is, the magnification shouldn't push icons off the screen. Instead, shrink surrounding ones. Or improvise. Instead of magnify, raise or glow. So when youmouseover the icon may hop up a few pixels or get a halo of light around it.

Make ALL apps recognize the Dock both when it's on the bottom and the side. I notice even the Finder doesn't sense a left docked Dock. IE is the worst. Apple needs to push MS into fixing IE FAST.

Make it so we can "Undock" the Dock. And when it is undocked, make it have a transparent draggable bar. And it can be oriented either verticle or horizontal.

Make it so when the Dock is pinned to the left or right (Or top or bottom) and hiding is on, the Dock will slide out from the left or right (Or top or bottom respectively)

Multiple Docks. (The second Dock will be a file/folder only Dock. No apps) Yup. I like this new AppleScript approach they have and I'd like a second Dock for maybe just AppleScripts or even more folders or documents. An make it so you can have tabbed second Dock for organization.

Not just the Dock...

I want the Time AND Date displayed at the same time. And make the format of them customizable. i.e. MM/DD/YYYY - H:MM:SS DDD, etc...

I want a Classic top menu for starting/stopping Classic without the Prefs Panel.

Labels. Need em. want em.

Sorting options in Column View.

Resize windows from sides, bottom like Windows. A feature I miss dearly from my darker days.

Themes. Make the OS skinnable. Make the Themes accessable to normal joes. Include an editor with the OS. I think we can see some realy neat Themes that take advantage of Transparency and such. Make the themes scriptable. By which I mean, make it so we can add extra buttons to our custom themes that can be made to do many things. Such as empty trash, resize window in direction you want (see above), etc.

Move Min and Zoom butons back to the right in Aqua theme.

Move the "Application" menu (The bold one) back over to the right and make it look like OS 9.

Put all those OS 9 options that are missing from X into the OS. We need as many options as possible.

More colors in the Aqua theme. MORE I say!

Tear off menus.

A Platinum Theme. Merge the old with the new with this one. The Dock would have borders around the buttons, the OS would look like OS 9 did but cooler.

A NeXT Theme. Yeah, I like it too.

More NeXT elements. I've never used NeXT (Nor have I ever been able to try Linux either) so I don't know all the stuff I could add here.

A plugin for TextEdit that allows you to use basic HTML coding features. Don't make it too good as to compete with BBEdit. Just good enough for people who need only small options.

Um.. That's it for now.
 
- "lock workstation" function in the Apple menu - only being able to do it via screen saver is pathetic

- System-wide home/end functions for text lines, to shoot you to the beginning or end of the line, like in Windows or Unix. This is something ridiculous for an OS not to have.

- Allow pop-out menus from the Dock, for better organization and to keep it smaller. The AfterStep window manager for XFree86 allowed this, IIRC.

- I find minimizing kind of silly. I would much prefer for minimizing to act like hiding, since I can easily right-click on the app in the Dock to access all of its windows. Much more nicely organized.

- "Copy on select" function in the Terminal

- Finder Pop-like function for Finder. ESSENTIAL!!
 
>>Or instead of logging into your computer via terminal (text based), it would be pretty sweet to log in and be presented with your desktop in a window (maybe rendered at half size or as full screen).<<

NeXTStep had this feature, called "nxhost". I suspect it would not be that difficult to implement it in OSX. I have even heard rumors that someday you might be able to run OSX via "nxhost" on a PC running windows.
 
Originally posted by Jasoco
I want a Classic top menu for starting/stopping Classic without the Prefs Panel.
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Look in /System/Library/CoreServices/ and you'll find Classic Startup. Put that into your dock to launch OS 9 at any time without needing to open the Prefs or an OS 9 app.
 
Originally posted by macaudiX


Look in /System/Library/CoreServices/ and you'll find Classic Startup. Put that into your dock to launch OS 9 at any time without needing to open the Prefs or an OS 9 app.
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I don't wany it running all the time. That's why I want the menu.

I only use Classic once every like two or three days.
 
how about a file-filter a la mail.app in the toolbar?
i'd love to just see tiffs, pdfs, mp3s, whatever. combined with labels this would be a winner (like "only show 'unfinished'...".
 
@ The main thing: crash-free OS. Sounds weird to some of you, but I get a lót of OS X craches... :(. Ik think changing the sounds volume shouldn't be a reasen to quit all apps, and re- and re- and re- and re- and re- and re- and restart the Finder. Sure the X diehards will get it running again and technically it's not crashed, but it's useless.
Kernel panics. I can dream them. Moving the mouse to hide your screensaver... i agree, a VERY *kuch* complex instruction...
Blue Screen Of Death. The blue you see when it starts up, and nothing you can do. Control-esc brings up the Shut down menu, but no buttons respons. Command-Alt-Esc brings up the Force Quit menu, but there ar no apps running...

@ Printer sharing like OS 9

@ some speed, also for the guys who CAN'T afford a MP-G4.... ;)

That's it for now. Very nice OS in general, just 'zet de puntjes op de i' (like we say in Holland ;))
 
For all of those looking for Virtual/Multi Desktops, there is an App/Dockling out there, I think it's called spaces . Check Apple's OS X downloads page or even versiontracker for it. It gives you virtual configurable desktops that you can switch between with a click of the mouse in the Dock icon (ie, Dock menu pops up listing your desktops),...

I would love to see a color slider for folders. Select a folder, Show Info, go to Pick Color...

I downloaded the windowshade X hack and love it and the Ctrl+Double Click Title Bar to get Transparent Window. Cute feature.

I patiently waiting for some implementation of SPringloaded folders. I love being able to drag+drop to Docked folders, but I wish I could also navigate deeper into the nested folders thorugh the Dock menu and drop. I guess it would have to be an Option Drag+Drop because now if you have a nested folder highlighted in a Dock menu and you let go, it's Finder Window opens (love that).

To NielZ: What are you doing, man, a lot of OS X crashes. I've had OS X since March and had only one kernel panic (caused by hot plugging an external firewire CD-RW in without iTunes running in OS X 10.0.3). I haven't had a single crash since OS X 10.1 - including not a single Finder Crash. Are oyu on a supported machine?

The only program that dies on me regularily is OmniWeb 4.1 SneakyPeak 7 and IE. Other than that, I'm smooth sailing.

To thos eof you that have come over from Unix or are new to Mac, you have to try some stuff out. A LOT of additional features are access with key combos with mouse clicks.

First off, Mac OS supports click+HOLD and Ctrl+click instead of right mouse click. In a lot of apps, you can access a contextual menu by clicking and holding without moving the pointer. It takes about a second for the menu to appear (the OS is waiting to see if you are going to move after you have clicked) but it will pop up. In the Finder, you need to use Ctrl+click.

Try Option+click, shift+click, Command/Apple+ click on everything. These always give you soem other options.
For example, Command+click on the icon in the title bar of any window, and a menu pop's up showing you the folder/file's path, and you can navigate back. Option+click on the same icon, and you can move that folder/file to another location with drag and drop.

Shift+click the Toolbar button in the title bar, the Customize Toolbar sheet rolls out. Click on the File Menu in an App, then hold down OPtion, and watch your menu's change on the fly (ie, Close turns to close all...).

Anyhoo, I wish I could Command or Control+click on a menu and tear it off...
 
My Point

1. I hope Apple don't follow the way like Microsoft, I want to deselect more when install OS X. I don't like some many programs I don't need. Include IE.
web servers, directory services. I don't think most of us us this. When they are needed, they are reinstallable.

2. More easy configuration. Apple has a lot of settings that all other users want to use, like resource edit, hidden file shown/hidden, destop setting, startup and shutdown services. All these settings are commonly used but Apple seems stupid, don't give us the utilities.

3. UNIX is super big. 1.5GB now. OS Classic is only 32 MB (core only). It seems that the OS X is the plugin form of Classic under UNIX. Now is call window server, event server, ... servers. More UNIX style features can be deleted, and just keep the best for Mac.

4. Preemptive is still now not very Preemptive. Microsoft windows are preemptive, but they are more responsive. Events and Messages translation is two slow. I don't found any other preemptive advanced but only the memory protect, say less crash.
 
Originally posted by PoweMACuser
My Point

1. I hope Apple don't follow the way like Microsoft, I want to deselect more when install OS X. I don't like some many programs I don't need. Include IE.
web servers, directory services. I don't think most of us us this. When they are needed, they are reinstallable.
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I agree with you here, but short of making each little app a package all by its self the current installer config will make this hard.


2. More easy configuration. Apple has a lot of settings that all other users want to use, like resource edit, hidden file shown/hidden, destop setting, startup and shutdown services. All these settings are commonly used but Apple seems stupid, don't give us the utilities.
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I agree that many things need to be easier to config, but some of the things you mentioned need to stay the way they are... such as startup items, since these can very very easily render a machine unbootable in multi user mode.


3. UNIX is super big. 1.5GB now. OS Classic is only 32 MB (core only). It seems that the OS X is the plugin form of Classic under UNIX. Now is call window server, event server, ... servers. More UNIX style features can be deleted, and just keep the best for Mac.
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Why don't you just not install the BSD layer? that would get rid of most of the core *nix stuff. Makes things smaller, but the structure of OS X doesn't lend its self to getting down to 32 mb easily and keeping the base functionality.


4. Preemptive is still now very Preemptive. Microsoft windows are preemptive, but they are more responsive. Events and Messages translation is two slow. I don't found any other preemptive advanced but only the memory protect, say less crash.
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this should be better now with nice working and better process schedualing, but I agree that some events take a while to get to the target. Not sure what you are saying about preemptive advanced, but I know that preemptive capablities with proper process schedualing (nice, renice) can make a machine feel very fast and allow it to still run servers in the background and do some heavy work (like compiling) at the same time.
 
Originally posted by pbrice
To NielZ: What are you doing, man, a lot of OS X crashes. I've had OS X since March and had only one kernel panic (caused by hot plugging an external firewire CD-RW in without iTunes running in OS X 10.0.3). I haven't had a single crash since OS X 10.1 - including not a single Finder Crash. Are oyu on a supported machine?

The only program that dies on me regularily is OmniWeb 4.1 SneakyPeak 7 and IE. Other than that, I'm smooth sailing.
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If I only knew what i'm doing... I have a 100% supported Mac, an iMac Ruby 450 mhz. My hardware seems to be fine, because 9 works fine (well it crashes sometimes, but therefore it's 9... ;)). I don't have extremely much crashes, but 'The most advanced OS in the world'.... mmmmmmmz, hope i'm gonna be old enough to see that running ;)
 
Originally posted by NielZ
If I only knew what i'm doing... I have a 100% supported Mac, an iMac Ruby 450 mhz. My hardware seems to be fine, because 9 works fine (well it crashes sometimes, but therefore it's 9... ;)). I don't have extremely much crashes, but 'The most advanced OS in the world'.... mmmmmmmz, hope i'm gonna be old enough to see that running ;)
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Same config as me and mine works perfectly.
 
Originally posted by mindbend
Labels—This much underused feaure of OS 9 is critical to organizing files for me. Also, team development is aided by labels (e.g. Orange="Finished")
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Yeah... Absolutely!

I could use it right now as I copy over all of my files from my old machine to my new G4.

under OS 6,7,8,9 I used to always use colors whenever doing big file movement operations like this. Although I only used OS 6 on a b&w Mac classic, so I did not see the colors.

(And for anyone too young to remember, "b&w" used to mean "black and white" in the good old days. If you can't imagine, just think "grayscale".)
 
Originally posted by ulrik
multiple desktops is such a great thing, and it can't be that hard to implement...
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Yeah, it's a really great feature, and I use it all the time in X for Linux. However I do understand that it could be a little confusing to get the average Joe to understand this functionality.

But it should be an option, and I don't see it being hard to add either.

I would love it, especially on my iBook, where I am pretty short of screen real-estate! (find myself dragging, minimizing and hiding a lot)
 
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