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Originally posted by Jason
Internet/eMails
fastest net browsing is still on pc sadly, as well as being compatible with just about every plugin etc... so mac users miss out on a lot of new creative ideas
HM, WHAT ABOUT SAFARI, I HEARD THAT IS BETTER THE IE AND FASTER? A LIE??
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if anyone ever told you that a mac would be good or better for games, they lied to you... absolutely no game development for macs, all we get are ports of pc games sadly
NO BODY EVER TOLD ME THAT!
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Internet/eMails
fastest net browsing is still on pc sadly, as well as being compatible with just about every plugin etc... so mac users miss out on a lot of new creative ideas
HM, WHAT ABOUT SAFARI, I HEARD THAT IS BETTER THE IE AND FASTER? A LIE??
(games)
if anyone ever told you that a mac would be good or better for games, they lied to you... absolutely no game development for macs, all we get are ports of pc games sadly
NO BODY EVER TOLD ME THAT!
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TommyWillB
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You say MacinTough, I say WinDoze!
Safari was slow untill v71.
Chimera 0.60 is faster than Camino 0.70 .. tabs, speed, lacking pop-ups without added programs.. IE in windoze can be fast, but lavk of tabs, the pop ups etc <rant rant>
Games? Am I the first now to say I prefer Mac for gaming. I am though intentionally limiting the amount and time of games I have = Deimos Rising, Quake, Snood, some Arkanoid games, and now as the last addition the .mac game pack of some simple games... I did not like games on pc. So before Mac I *enjoyed* playing computer games was on my Spectravideo ... (when Commodore 64 were hi tech) ...
Chimera 0.60 is faster than Camino 0.70 .. tabs, speed, lacking pop-ups without added programs.. IE in windoze can be fast, but lavk of tabs, the pop ups etc <rant rant>
Games? Am I the first now to say I prefer Mac for gaming. I am though intentionally limiting the amount and time of games I have = Deimos Rising, Quake, Snood, some Arkanoid games, and now as the last addition the .mac game pack of some simple games... I did not like games on pc. So before Mac I *enjoyed* playing computer games was on my Spectravideo ... (when Commodore 64 were hi tech) ...
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So have you concluded that for your uses that both the Mac and the PC are suitable (i.e. the software/hardware that you want is availble for both platforms, etc)?
When you say the Mac is "more expensive", have you actually sat down and written down the configurations you're after INCLUDING software? It's very important to factor software into the equation since with the Mac, the iLife suite is very useful for the casual user and can add up in cost on the Windows side. Are you "being fair" on the PC side with regards to price. By this I mean that people like to throw WinTel prices around but there can be big differences in price when you're looking at a box you're going to throw together yourself, vs a Dell, vs something from Sony. When you do you're price comparison, be sure to have one or two specific pc's in mind as this has an impact on things like software bundles.
As you've seen, this concept of the "better" platform is very misleading and can be very frustrating if you want a simple general list. First figure out what's important to you, make a list, no really, make a list (e.g. I want to import video from my dv cam, I want to play the latest games, the want the most hardware support, I just want to surf the web and read MacOSX.com, etc). Then come up with some configurations that match what you want to do (be sure to not to forget to take into account "future" uses, you might not be ripping cd's/dvd's now, but a year from now you might want to). This will allow you to make some better decisions and get better direction. A reference like this board is great for answering specific questions (e.g. "how does iMovie compare to Premiere for the casual user"). But as a general resource, well, it IS the MacOSX board, so no brownie points for guessing where many will lead you
Oh, and as far as Safari vs IE. Again, just depends on want you want to do. Safari is indeed faster on many sites, but then again IE tends to have better compatability with more sites (I still keep Mozilla around for the occassional site that won't work or render properly in Safari). I think the obvious answer is to use both. Use Safari as your primary browser and if you run across pages it can't handle, fire up IE. No need for an either/or here right?
Macs conserve their price far better than Wintels do. You probably need less time and resouces ($, time and RAM) for maintaining a Mac (or antiviruses etc) than a wintel.
As you have a wintel past, I could imagine you to enjoy more your computer if you had a Mac.
As you have a wintel past, I could imagine you to enjoy more your computer if you had a Mac.
I've used a PC since 1991. Still have a P4 1.8GHz, Dual Celeron 366@500, Pentium 75.
I just got a Powerbook G4 15" 2 months ago.
I like Linux, but it is not even close to being useable for the desktop.
That's why Mac OS X is awesome. Everything looks nice. There are some UI things I don't like and a lot I do like.
I have mixed signals between my PC and Mac. I switched to the mac 100% now because honestly who needs more than one computer at home.
I'm running Apache, Mysql locally and don't have to ftp my files anywhere to test my website before it goes live.
All the apps other than games are the same. Of course it will take you a lot of trial and error to find comparable apps. The only thing I haven't really found that is as good is: Mirc and Cuteftp. I use Fugu and Xchat or Bitchx depending on my mood. But they aren't as fast.
Internet Explorer is way faster on PC. Safari is the best browser on MAC but it is still slow.
In comparison, my PC is more responsive. My menus open and load way faster than my MAC. It doesn't bother me, but it's true.
I think i've only gotten 1 virus in the past 6 years. I never run a scanner on PC. I just have it installed to scan every month or two.
It's nice not to have hardware problems with the MAC. It's put together with quality components. I can't really say that with machines i've built. There's always some weird shit that happens.
I don't like the Powerbook keyboard. The lack of home, end, page up, page down buttons is really annoying. Also not being able to Alt-letter of the menu you want to drop down slows me down. You can turn full keyboard access on but you still can't go to a specific menu.
In the end, it's preference. I can do the same shit with my PC and MAC. I like tinkering in UNIX so I like Mac OS X more lately.
I like ALT-` and I hate it. I dunno half of me likes the dock and the way the finder works and half of me likes the taskbar mentality. Maybe it's just habit. But when i'm working in many windows it really starts to get cluttered. I can sit and hit COMMAND-H but then my dock gets cluttered. The Taskbar is cool because you can open and minimize really quick and visually see it. You don't see that when you have the dock minimized.
Anyways.. ask me if you want more comments..
I just got a Powerbook G4 15" 2 months ago.
I like Linux, but it is not even close to being useable for the desktop.
That's why Mac OS X is awesome. Everything looks nice. There are some UI things I don't like and a lot I do like.
I have mixed signals between my PC and Mac. I switched to the mac 100% now because honestly who needs more than one computer at home.
I'm running Apache, Mysql locally and don't have to ftp my files anywhere to test my website before it goes live.
All the apps other than games are the same. Of course it will take you a lot of trial and error to find comparable apps. The only thing I haven't really found that is as good is: Mirc and Cuteftp. I use Fugu and Xchat or Bitchx depending on my mood. But they aren't as fast.
Internet Explorer is way faster on PC. Safari is the best browser on MAC but it is still slow.
In comparison, my PC is more responsive. My menus open and load way faster than my MAC. It doesn't bother me, but it's true.
I think i've only gotten 1 virus in the past 6 years. I never run a scanner on PC. I just have it installed to scan every month or two.
It's nice not to have hardware problems with the MAC. It's put together with quality components. I can't really say that with machines i've built. There's always some weird shit that happens.
I don't like the Powerbook keyboard. The lack of home, end, page up, page down buttons is really annoying. Also not being able to Alt-letter of the menu you want to drop down slows me down. You can turn full keyboard access on but you still can't go to a specific menu.
In the end, it's preference. I can do the same shit with my PC and MAC. I like tinkering in UNIX so I like Mac OS X more lately.
I like ALT-` and I hate it. I dunno half of me likes the dock and the way the finder works and half of me likes the taskbar mentality. Maybe it's just habit. But when i'm working in many windows it really starts to get cluttered. I can sit and hit COMMAND-H but then my dock gets cluttered. The Taskbar is cool because you can open and minimize really quick and visually see it. You don't see that when you have the dock minimized.
Anyways.. ask me if you want more comments..
Arden
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If your main concern is price, here's a breakdown.
Macs are like Mercedes-Benz. They're top-of-the-line machines, built to the highest standards, with awesome exteriors and excellent functions. Some Mercedes's are more affordable than others: for example, they have the C class, which cost as little as $25k, but they also have models that run up to a hundred grand more, as in the CL600. Similarly, Macs are built to the highest quality standards, with low end models like the iBook and eMac and arm-and-a-leg roadsters such as the fastest Power Macs and Power Books.
PC's are more like Ford. First, Ford has numerous "partners" like Mercury, Mazda and Volvo, all of which are at a different level on features and affordability, much like PC's. Second, Ford has dirt cheap vehicles like the Escort or the Focus, and they also have costlier, more fully-featured vehicles like the Lincoln Navigator or even the Jaguars. However, Ford is not known for its reliability, and many of its vehicles are prone to breaking down or falling apart piece by piece (as our '94 Volvo wagon did, before we tossed it).
Now, compare Mercedes to Ford. Mercedes makes quality, stylish vehicles, but they start outside of many people's price ranges and go up to costing (in today's US economy) half of a house. Ford's vehicles start at extremely affordable, yet they may not have the extra features and they are prone to instability. A Taurus, for example, may cost less than a Mercedes when first buying it, but it may cost more in the long run if it breaks down or something major goes wrong with it. That's the same with Macs and PC's: a Mac costs more up front, but you get more bundled with it, you get excellent quality, and you probably won't have to take it in for fixing later down the road.
Ultimately, of course, it's your decision. But we here at ...X.com urge you to go with the Mercedes now to avoid fixing the Ford later.
Macs are like Mercedes-Benz. They're top-of-the-line machines, built to the highest standards, with awesome exteriors and excellent functions. Some Mercedes's are more affordable than others: for example, they have the C class, which cost as little as $25k, but they also have models that run up to a hundred grand more, as in the CL600. Similarly, Macs are built to the highest quality standards, with low end models like the iBook and eMac and arm-and-a-leg roadsters such as the fastest Power Macs and Power Books.
PC's are more like Ford. First, Ford has numerous "partners" like Mercury, Mazda and Volvo, all of which are at a different level on features and affordability, much like PC's. Second, Ford has dirt cheap vehicles like the Escort or the Focus, and they also have costlier, more fully-featured vehicles like the Lincoln Navigator or even the Jaguars. However, Ford is not known for its reliability, and many of its vehicles are prone to breaking down or falling apart piece by piece (as our '94 Volvo wagon did, before we tossed it).
Now, compare Mercedes to Ford. Mercedes makes quality, stylish vehicles, but they start outside of many people's price ranges and go up to costing (in today's US economy) half of a house. Ford's vehicles start at extremely affordable, yet they may not have the extra features and they are prone to instability. A Taurus, for example, may cost less than a Mercedes when first buying it, but it may cost more in the long run if it breaks down or something major goes wrong with it. That's the same with Macs and PC's: a Mac costs more up front, but you get more bundled with it, you get excellent quality, and you probably won't have to take it in for fixing later down the road.
Ultimately, of course, it's your decision. But we here at ...X.com urge you to go with the Mercedes now to avoid fixing the Ford later.
Hehe, the compair Mercedes vs. Ford is great. And you are right, but the most people do not have the money to buy a Mercedes (apple). And just by the way, my sister has a Ford Aerostar (1994) and it has about 180,000 miles on it and she WASN'T ONCE in the shop. Nothing was ever wrong with it. And it still runs. She just drove it from Arkansas to Arizona and back!!
However, it is still hard to understand, that it is sometimes cheaper to buy the more expensive thing, because it doesn't have to be that the more expensive is the better! It can be but it doesn't have to be; you need a little bit of luck.
However, it is still hard to understand, that it is sometimes cheaper to buy the more expensive thing, because it doesn't have to be that the more expensive is the better! It can be but it doesn't have to be; you need a little bit of luck.
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